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The satellite temperature data for August 2022 has just been published by the University of Alabama at Huntsville (UAH), which shows that the global, lower-tropospheric layer (where weather mostly happens), was cooler than July. This is part of the reason for the slow hurricane season. Also, since 2015 the linear trend for the January - August temperature data shows overall slight cooling -- that's a 7-year cooling trend.

[Keefelane66]

Originally Posted by sounding

The satellite temperature data for August 2022 has just been published by the University of Alabama at Huntsville (UAH), which shows that the global, lower-tropospheric layer (where weather mostly happens), was cooler than July. This is part of the reason for the slow hurricane season. Also, since 2015 the linear trend for the January - August temperature data shows overall slight cooling -- that's a 7-year cooling trend.

Contrary to some reports, the satellite measurements are not calibrated in any way with the global surface-based thermometer records of temperature.

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Very true. In fact, here it is from Roy Spencer who generates the data ... How the UAH Global Temperatures Are Produced « Roy Spencer, PhD . More importantly, the absolute temperature at any one point and time, while interesting, is not that important with respect to trends. As long as the "method" is always the same, then the "trend" is the important information. Furthermore, we don't even know what the "average" global surface temperature really is -- because we don't have sufficient thermometers across the globe -- especially over the oceans. And this is why satellite data is so important because it sees the entire earth -- and at many levels.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by sounding

The satellite temperature data for August 2022 has just been published by the University of Alabama at Huntsville (UAH), which shows that the global, lower-tropospheric layer (where weather mostly happens), was cooler than July. This is part of the reason for the slow hurricane season. Also, since 2015 the linear trend for the January - August temperature data shows overall slight cooling -- that's a 7-year cooling trend.

Who needs all those sophisticated studies? The energy usage on my SECO bill tells me everything I need to know.

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If the bill is going down -- that's because of actual temperature trends. If the bill is going up -- then that's because of something we're not allowed to talk about here. Also ... I've been plotting official NOAA temperature forecast verification data for every month this year ... and the temperatures (for central and south Florida) are below average. Northern Florida is average to slightly above for 2 reasons .... 1 - they don't get a sea-breeze like we do, and 2 - the eastern U.S. is still under the influence of the AMO (Atlantic Multi-Decadal Oscillation) which is still in it's 25-year warm phase -- which is ending and is just starting to cool. We'll see what happens next year.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by sounding

The satellite temperature data for August 2022 has just been published by the University of Alabama at Huntsville (UAH), which shows that the global, lower-tropospheric layer (where weather mostly happens), was cooler than July. This is part of the reason for the slow hurricane season. Also, since 2015 the linear trend for the January - August temperature data shows overall slight cooling -- that's a 7-year cooling trend.

Maybe you can explain how there is a cooling trend for the last 7 years when I see exactly the opposite. Almost every month from 2015 to now has a temperature hotter than the average for that month using a mean of temps for that month from 1991 to 2020.


Additionally, and this is important, the Huntsville group has recently readjusted "normal" to a higher number because they are using the average of 1991-2020 as "normal" now whereas in the past they used a cooler average 30 year range. This has downshifted the deviation from normal in their reports.

Do not be deceived by the manner of presentation Spencer uses in his charting. When you use the last 30 years only, which has been an increasingly hotter three decades as "normal" you artificially create visually misleading graphs. Think of it this way. You are sick. For the last month you are running a fever. Sometimes it is 100, sometimes it is 103 etc. Every once in a while you are only 99. I create a graph of your temperature using the last 30 days and call "normal" whatever the average is for that time period. It turns out your average temp was 101. That does not mean that on days you were 100.4 you were below average in a biological sense, only in a statistical sense because of the way you chose to collect and analyze. That is what Spencer's chart does as seen in the photo below. There is a lot of blue cooler than average from 1979 to 2000. That falsely suggests that those years were years of global cooling. A complete lie and a complete distortion of the evidence. That is what you get from Spencer. He is a known climate change skeptic and a denier of evolution having gone so far as to claim evolution should not be taught in school.

Here is a chart of the readings since Jan 2021. It does not format well here but you get the idea. Of the 20 months reported, by Roy Spencer, 3 show a decline from the running average, in two cases by 0.01 degrees, one is neutral and the other 16 show an increase in mean global temperature. This is during a La Nina period which tends to be cooler.

YEAR MO GLOBE NHEM. SHEM. TROPIC USA48 ARCTIC AUST
2021 01 0.12 0.34 -0.09 -0.08 0.36 0.50 -0.52
2021 02 0.20 0.32 0.08 -0.14 -0.66 0.07 -0.27
2021 03 -0.01 0.13 -0.14 -0.29 0.59 -0.78 -0.79
2021 04 -0.05 0.05 -0.15 -0.28 -0.02 0.02 0.29
2021 05 0.08 0.14 0.03 0.06 -0.41 -0.04 0.02
2021 06 -0.01 0.30 -0.32 -0.14 1.44 0.63 -0.76
2021 07 0.20 0.33 0.07 0.13 0.58 0.43 0.80
2021 08 0.17 0.26 0.08 0.07 0.32 0.83 -0.02
2021 09 0.25 0.18 0.33 0.09 0.67 0.02 0.37
2021 10 0.37 0.46 0.27 0.33 0.84 0.63 0.06
2021 11 0.08 0.11 0.06 0.14 0.50 -0.43 -0.29
2021 12 0.21 0.27 0.15 0.03 1.63 0.01 -0.06
2022 01 0.03 0.06 0.00 -0.24 -0.13 0.68 0.09
2022 02 -0.00 0.01 -0.02 -0.24 -0.05 -0.31 -0.50
2022 03 0.15 0.27 0.02 -0.08 0.22 0.74 0.02
2022 04 0.26 0.35 0.18 -0.04 -0.26 0.45 0.60
2022 05 0.17 0.24 0.10 0.01 0.59 0.23 0.19
2022 06 0.06 0.07 0.04 -0.36 0.46 0.33 0.11
2022 07 0.36 0.37 0.35 0.13 0.84 0.55 0.65
2022 08 0.28 0.31 0.24 -0.04 0.59 0.50 -0.01

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And here is an illustration of just how much global surface temperatures have increased between 1990 and 2021. Source Climate Change: Global Temperature | NOAA Climate.gov

This is the time period Spencer is using as his "normal"

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The NOAA temperature graph that you provided reflects "altered" data -- not the actual observed or measured data. That NOAA temperature curve is altered to reflect the CO2 level increase. This is why the "satellite" temperature trend data is so important -- it has not (yet) been altered by NOAA or other offices -- although the current administration has voiced plans to take over satellite data handling and how we see it. Furthermore, here is how NOAA (and NASA) adjusts temperature data ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs-K_tadveI

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Correct -- that's the 30-year trend.

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While climate.gov has not released its August data, the July data are very clear. The planet continues to heat up. See the chart since 1880. Importantly completely contrary to the OP here, while July 2022 was not the hottest July ever (La Nina) I will copy the clear and important truth about how temps are changing in the last few years, and it is NOT that things are cooling. If 2022 is not as hot as 2016 that does not mean things are cooling. Climate change does not mean each and every year has to be hotter than the previous one or the theory is wrong. The trends are very very clear. The earth is getting hotter, the glaciers are melting, sea level is rising.

"The July 2022 global surface temperature departure was the sixth highest for July in the 143-year record at 0.87°C (1.57°F) above the 20th century average of 15.8°C (60.4°F). The five warmest Julys on record have all occurred since 2016. July 2022 also marked the 46th consecutive July and the 451st consecutive month with temperatures, at least nominally, above the 20th century average."

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How much has "man-made" CO2 heated the earth last year?

[Keefelane66]

Originally Posted by sounding

How much has "man-made" CO2 heated the earth last year?

This is beginning to feel like “Groundhog Day” the same month after month.

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Originally Posted by sounding

The NOAA temperature graph that you provided reflects "altered" data -- not the actual observed or measured data. That NOAA temperature curve is altered to reflect the CO2 level increase. This is why the "satellite" temperature trend data is so important -- it has not (yet) been altered by NOAA or other offices -- although the current administration has voiced plans to take over satellite data handling and how we see it. Furthermore, here is how NOAA (and NASA) adjusts temperature data ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs-K_tadveI

I watched that video which had not a single link to a source of data despite several comments asking for those links, and made several unsupported claims. But unlike what you just wrote, and not even mentioned in that video, even such a bizarre piece of you tube drek did not make the claim that NOAA adjusts its curves using CO2 data. You made that up.

There is no speaker on that video, just a series of slides. There is one which shows how temperature increases correlate exactly with CO2 increases in the last century. The video maker claims the temperature data is fake based on smoke and mirrors but never suggests that somehow a huge conspiracy at all the USA's temperature and weather sites is happening as temp data is faked by looking at CO2.

Putting a lot of mud in your dike today.

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The data is hard to find -- but here it is ... Index of /pub/data/ushcn/v2.5 . It is updated daily by NOAA. Hundreds of folks download and analyze it -- all with the same results. You just don't see theses reports (and other videos) because the "news" won't cover it. It's very interesting to note that not only does NOAA fabricate the data at the outset, but they periodically go back and re-alter the data based on new data. I'm sorry -- that is not science -- that is data manipulation -- for whatever purpose. Like they say ... if the data doesn't fit your theory -- change the data.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by sounding

The data is hard to find -- but here it is ... Index of /pub/data/ushcn/v2.5 . It is updated daily by NOAA. Hundreds of folks download and analyze it -- all with the same results. You just don't see theses reports (and other videos) because the "news" won't cover it. It's very interesting to note that not only does NOAA fabricate the data at the outset, but they periodically go back and re-alter the data based on new data. I'm sorry -- that is not science -- that is data manipulation -- for whatever purpose. Like they say ... if the data doesn't fit your theory -- change the data.

"Tidens tegn", as my Norwegian friends would say...

As Mark Twain once said, there are three kinds of untruths: "lies, damned lies, and statistics". Numbers can be manipulated so that they say anything you want them to say. A great example from some years back; Texas was routinely castigated for being the capital punishment center of the known universe. It was one of those "truths" that you just accepted without discussion--until it was pointed out that, on a per capita basis, the state with the highest execution rate was not Texas at all but DELAWARE.

Climate change "data" is no different. You juggle and twist the numbers enough, you can get them to "prove" anything you want.