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Recent news chatter about creating a new Category 6 Hurricane metric is just nonsense -- because, in the end, no matter what scaling is used, the trend will still show a downward trend. Don't fall for these junk science articles -- just look at the data to see reality -- global warming is reducing hurricane frequency and strength.

[ThirdOfFive]

Rest assured. Any new label selected will be for one thing. Shock value.

In our day and age, actual information is becoming more and more irrelevant.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Rest assured. Any new label selected will be for one thing. Shock value.

In our day and age, actual information is becoming more and more irrelevant.

Arctic blast is being changed to Polar Vortex
Pineapple Express sounds better as Atmospheric River

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by blueash

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So over the last 43 years it has happened 5 times. All 5 have been in the last decade. The wind speed for Cat 5 is 157 MPH or more. The paper looking at these much more intense hurricanes/typhoons suggests that an additional Cat 6 is needed to differentiate these much more intense storms.

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Makes sense to me. Why would anyone be bothered by this?

[JRcorvette]

My two cents…. There is no such thing as Global Warming and Man can not control the weather! I am not talking about air pollution that is a different story. We need clean air to breath!

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

Makes sense to me. Why would anyone be bothered by this?

Maybe 99 categories would even be even better. And in the end ... the trend will be downwards.

[Taltarzac725]

Hurricane and typhoon numbers are decreasing, study finds, even as they become more destructive | CNN

Except in the North Atlantic where they are increasing.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Normal

Arctic blast is being changed to Polar Vortex
Pineapple Express sounds better as Atmospheric River

Originally Posted by Normal

Arctic blast is being changed to Polar Vortex
Pineapple Express sounds better as Atmospheric River

True that. But in Minnesota they were never referred to as an "arctic blast". Instead, "Canadian high" was the descriptor of choice for as long as I can remember. Canadian Highs were welcome: they usually came after a period of bad weather (blizzard or several-day snowfall) and were characterized by clear, bright blue skies, cold(er) temps and wind. Good skiing weather, and especially welcome after being cooped up in the house for days on end while Mother Nature buried everything in sight with a white blanket.

Then, maybe 20 years ago or so, we heard no more about "Canadian Highs". Instead, "Polar Vortex" came into vogue. Unlike Canadian Highs, Polar Vortex forecasts came with ominous warnings about falling temps, often with descriptions of what frostbite consisted of, sober advice to parents about how to keep Junior bundled up, in sight of parents or caretakers AT ALL TIME when outside, things like that.

Bottom line: Canadian Highs were welcome events. Polar Vortexes were not. But they were just two different names for precisely the same weather event.

Heard an interview with one of the local weather guys in Duluth, MN, about the name change. He admitted that it had been done precisely for the shock value.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

True that. But in Minnesota they were never referred to as an "arctic blast". Instead, "Canadian high" was the descriptor of choice for as long as I can remember. Canadian Highs were welcome: they usually came after a period of bad weather (blizzard or several-day snowfall) and were characterized by clear, bright blue skies, cold(er) temps and wind. Good skiing weather, and especially welcome after being cooped up in the house for days on end while Mother Nature buried everything in sight with a white blanket.

Then, maybe 20 years ago or so, we heard no more about "Canadian Highs". Instead, "Polar Vortex" came into vogue. Unlike Canadian Highs, Polar Vortex forecasts came with ominous warnings about falling temps, often with descriptions of what frostbite consisted of, sober advice to parents about how to keep Junior bundled up, in sight of parents or caretakers AT ALL TIME when outside, things like that.

Bottom line: Canadian Highs were welcome events. Polar Vortexes were not. But they were just two different names for precisely the same weather event.

Heard an interview with one of the local weather guys in Duluth, MN, about the name change. He admitted that it had been done precisely for the shock value.

Climate trends | Minnesota DNR

My last days in Minnesota were right around late November of 1991. We had just gone through a blizzard. 1991 Halloween blizzard - Wikipedia

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Hurricane and typhoon numbers are decreasing, study finds, even as they become more destructive | CNN

Except in the North Atlantic where they are increasing.

Those who come to the Weather Club know that's just more propaganda.

1. Although global storms are down, N. Atlantic storms are up because the AMO is in its warming cycle - which will soon end.

2. "Destruction" has nothing to do with hurricane frequency or energy -- but it has everything to do with people choosing to live dangerously -- like in tornado alley and along hurricane prone shores -- without proper building construction and without necessary support services. It's an education problem -- not a climate problem.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Climate trends | Minnesota DNR

My last days in Minnesota were right around late November of 1991. We had just gone through a blizzard. 1991 Halloween blizzard - Wikipedia

Oh yeah! I remember it well. I lived up in Duluth at the time. I recall that Halloween day and early evening: unseasonably warm, but you could tell something was coming. We ended up with just a hair shy of 40" of snow on that one.

I remember about Day Three, and cabin fever was setting in. I grabbed my XC skiis and headed out, thinking I'd be the only one out there. Was I wrong! The streets were filled with people on skiis! For about five days 6th Avenue East was the best ski run in the state.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by sounding

Those who come to the Weather Club know that's just more propaganda.

1. Although global storms are down, N. Atlantic storms are up because the AMO is in its warming cycle - which will soon end.

2. "Destruction" has nothing to do with hurricane frequency or energy -- but it has everything to do with people choosing to live dangerously -- like in tornado alley and along hurricane prone shores -- without proper building construction and without necessary support services. It's an education problem -- not a climate problem.

The Weather Club basically seems to spout propaganda with almost no real science.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

True that. But in Minnesota they were never referred to as an "arctic blast". Instead, "Canadian high" was the descriptor of choice for as long as I can remember. Canadian Highs were welcome: they usually came after a period of bad weather (blizzard or several-day snowfall) and were characterized by clear, bright blue skies, cold(er) temps and wind. Good skiing weather, and especially welcome after being cooped up in the house for days on end while Mother Nature buried everything in sight with a white blanket.

Then, maybe 20 years ago or so, we heard no more about "Canadian Highs". Instead, "Polar Vortex" came into vogue. Unlike Canadian Highs, Polar Vortex forecasts came with ominous warnings about falling temps, often with descriptions of what frostbite consisted of, sober advice to parents about how to keep Junior bundled up, in sight of parents or caretakers AT ALL TIME when outside, things like that.

Bottom line: Canadian Highs were welcome events. Polar Vortexes were not. But they were just two different names for precisely the same weather event.

Heard an interview with one of the local weather guys in Duluth, MN, about the name change. He admitted that it had been done precisely for the shock value.

A rose by any other name still has thorns. Maybe, just maybe the "shock value" saved a life by making people aware that the otherwise welcome event came with otherwise overlooked dangers.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Normal

Arctic blast is being changed to Polar Vortex
Pineapple Express sounds better as Atmospheric River

I like pineapple!

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

The Weather Club basically seems to spout propaganda with almost no real science.

That's just another claim - unsupported by data - just like there is no data proving man-made CO2 harms our climate - but there is data proving it helps our climate.