[Ponygirl]

Its fine to have these silly debates every time there is a weather meeting abt whether there is climate change but we should really look at the human toll and all the people who have lost their homes and their lives in the climate related disasters

This is a quote below from the director of NOAA

“The U.S. was hit with more billion-dollar disasters in 2023 than any other year on record, highlighting the increasing risks from our changing climate,” said NOAA NCEI Director Deke Arndt.

There were 28 billion dollar disasters in 2023 the warmest year on record in many states

“The 28 events from 2023 include:

17 severe weather/hail events.
4 flooding events.
2 tropical cyclones (Idalia in Florida and Typhoon Mawar in Guam).
2 tornado outbreaks.
1 winter storm/cold wave event.
1 wildfire event (Maui Island of Hawaii).
1 drought and heat wave event.
The total cost for these 28 disasters was $92.9 billion, but that may rise by several billion dollars when the costs of the December 16-18, 2023, East Coast storm and flooding event are fully accounted for“

[Marine1974]

Originally Posted by sounding

1. Go ahead, re-categorize past storms - and show us how they are increasing. It's fun to make claims, but actual data is golden.

2. Yes, we are warming in the long term with the Eddy 1,000-yr solar cycle ... but cooling in the shorter term due to the Feynman 100-yr sunspot cycle ... and CO2 has nothing to do with either. Oh ... and don't forget in the much longer term, we are cooling with the Milankovitch cycles - and again CO2 is a non-player - but it's a great plant food.

Carbon dioxide (CO2) is a greenhouse gas. This means that it causes an effect like the glass in a greenhouse, trapping heat and warming up the inside.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by TomSpasm

Per the OP today - 2. Yes, we are warming in the long term with the Eddy 1,000-yr solar cycle ... but cooling in the shorter term due to the Feynman 100-yr sunspot cycle ... and CO2 has nothing to do with either. Oh ... and don't forget in the much longer term, we are cooling with the Milankovitch cycles - and again CO2 is a non-player - but it's a great plant food.

Per the New York Times today - Citing the European Union’s Copernicus Climate Change Service - January makes eight months in a row that average air temperatures, across both the continents and the seas, have topped all prior records for the time of year. All in all, 2023 was Earth’s hottest year in over a century and a half. [URL="http://[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/07/climate/2024-hottest-january-data.html"l[/URL]"]http://

So do I believe the OP or the NYT citing European scientists?

Go to your window and look outside. How many body bags do you see as millions die from global warming and boiling oceans? Why are more people moving south instead of north? Why doesn't the NYT tell you there are at least 138 volcanoes under western Antarctica - and many are causing the ice melt much faster than eastern Antarctica? Why doesn't the NYT print exactly how much man-made CO2 warmed the earth last year (or any year) ... they don't because that number is embarrassingly tiny.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Marine1974

Carbon dioxide (CO2) is a greenhouse gas. This means that it causes an effect like the glass in a greenhouse, trapping heat and warming up the inside.

Absolutely wrong. The glass in the greenhouse does trap heat -- but CO2 does NOT trap heat -- otherwise Earth would have been a burnt cinder billions of years ago. Come to the Weather Club to learn just how tiny CO2's warming is -- plus CO2 is also a cooling gas -- which the media will never admit.

[huge-pigeons]

why stop at 6, make it 10, 15. Whatever works to push a certain narrative. Just like our unusual winter weather in Florida this year. Some climatologists might say global warming while the true climatologists will say El Niño which has occurred for thousands/millions of years.
What's next tornados? EF6? EF10? EF15? Same thing. The worst storm I have ever seen in California (I lived there at the time) was in 1969. I don't think they have had anything worse since. Everywhere on earth you are going to get these type of storms, you just have to ignore the outliers.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by huge-pigeons

why stop at 6, make it 10, 15. Whatever works to push a certain narrative. Just like our unusual winter weather in Florida this year. Some climatologists might say global warming while the true climatologists will say El Niño which has occurred for thousands/millions of years.
What's next tornados? EF6? EF10? EF15? Same thing. The worst storm I have ever seen in California (I lived there at the time) was in 1969. I don't think they have had anything worse since. Everywhere on earth you are going to get these type of storms, you just have to ignore the outliers.

I personally like category 99 -- because it's more scary sounding. NOAA already inflated tornado categories by just changing the scaling factor -- but in the end the tornado trend is still down -- just like hurricanes.

[biker1]

You telling me what is correct is the same as me telling Nicklaus how to hit a 2-iron. Are you so uninformed that you really don't know where to look? Start with AR6. There are plenty of references contained in there. When you are caught cherry picking other people's data (and didn't bother to cite them) you really shouldn't talk about evidence.

Originally Posted by sounding

That is all correct -- except the anthropogenic stuff. Please provide the peer-reviewed science stating man-made CO2 caused the 1 C warming. Making claims are fun - but evidence is better.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by biker1

You telling me what is correct is the same as me telling Nicklaus how to hit a 2-iron. Are you so uninformed that you really don't know where to look? Start with AR6. There are plenty of references contained in there. When you are caught cherry picking other people's data (and didn't bother to cite them) you really shouldn't talk about evidence.

That's not an answer -- it's a diversion -- and to an organization which willingly published the fraudulent hockey stick graph. So, please provide the "science" explaining how man-made CO2 achieve 1 C warming. Your answer will need to account for the current solar warming from the Bray and Solar cycles -- and from the oceanic exhaling of natural CO2 as we continue to thaw out from the Little Ice Age.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by DonnaNi4os

I certainly am no meteorology expert but it seems to me that global warming makes the water of the ocean warmer. Warmer water strengthens hurricanes so I don’t understand the logic. Enlighten me please.

A pox upon ___ !!

Logic and reason are not especially welcomed in these here parts.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by biker1

Your lack of understanding of basic radiative transfer physics is not all that surprising since you are not a scientist, which is why you continue to spout nonsense. Increasing CO2 changes the long wave radiative balance of the atmosphere. The net effect is stratospheric cooling and lower tropospheric warming. This was theorized a long time ago and verified with observational data. The anthropogenic average global surface temperature anomaly is about 1C. When you don't know what you are talking about it is best to say nothing.

BOOM

For those who want an explanation of how CO2 and methane DO act as greenhouse gases, and why there is a nice website from Columbia university with simple clear science. And you tube videos of how you can prove it to yourself. So Simple Even a sounding can do it.

How Exactly Does Carbon Dioxide Cause Global Warming? - You Asked

For those who don't click on links. The sun heats the earth in the visible light spectrum. The warm earth releases some of this heat back upwards into the atmosphere. Think how a dark rock is hot as it has trapped then released heat. That released heat is infrared heat. You have all likely used infrared heat lamps.

Infrared energy is invisible, just off the rainbow of colors we see, ultraviolet being just off the other side. Infrared energy waves come in contact with the molecules of the atmosphere as they travel from the warmed earth into the sky. Some molecules do not interact with infrared. The energy passes thru and continues into space. Oxygen ignores infrared. Nitrogen ignores infrared.

CO2 and other greenhouse gases do interact with infrared energy. They absorb some of it. Once the CO2 molecule absorbs the infrared heat, it then radiates it back out into the atmosphere, just like the dark rock absorbed it on the earth then radiated it out.

Some of the radiated energy goes up, back toward space, some goes down back toward the earth. That which is radiated back down to us warms us, and the planet.

Water vapor is also a greenhouse gas. It is an oversimplification but everyone here is 100% correct in noticing that cloudy nights are warmer than clear nights. Why? The amount of heat the warm earth is sending up toward space is the same whether cloudy or clear. But on cloudy nights that heat, infrared heat, cannot escape and is partially reflected back down keeping us warm.

[biker1]

Sabine Hossenfelder has a pretty good video on the details. Except for an error regarding the hydrostatic equation (which is not important to the topic of the video), she gets it correct. She goes into why stratospheric cooling and lower tropospheric warming occurs with increasing CO2.

Regarding why cloudy nights are warmer, more precisely the long wave is not reflected. It is actually absorbed and reemitted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqu5DjzOBF8

Originally Posted by blueash

BOOM

For those who want an explanation of how CO2 and methane DO act as greenhouse gases, and why there is a nice website from Columbia university with simple clear science. And you tube videos of how you can prove it to yourself. So Simple Even a sounding can do it.

How Exactly Does Carbon Dioxide Cause Global Warming? - You Asked

For those who don't click on links. The sun heats the earth in the visible light spectrum. The warm earth releases some of this heat back upwards into the atmosphere. Think how a dark rock is hot as it has trapped then released heat. That released heat is infrared heat. You have all likely used infrared heat lamps.

Infrared energy is invisible, just off the rainbow of colors we see, ultraviolet being just off the other side. Infrared energy waves come in contact with the molecules of the atmosphere as they travel from the warmed earth into the sky. Some molecules do not interact with infrared. The energy passes thru and continues into space. Oxygen ignores infrared. Nitrogen ignores infrared.

CO2 and other greenhouse gases do interact with infrared energy. They absorb some of it. Once the CO2 molecule absorbs the infrared heat, it then radiates it back out into the atmosphere, just like the dark rock absorbed it on the earth then radiated it out.

Some of the radiated energy goes up, back toward space, some goes down back toward the earth. That which is radiated back down to us warms us, and the planet.

Water vapor is also a greenhouse gas. It is an oversimplification but everyone here is 100% correct in noticing that cloudy nights are warmer than clear nights. Why? The amount of heat the warm earth is sending up toward space is the same whether cloudy or clear. But on cloudy nights that heat, infrared heat, cannot escape and is partially reflected back down keeping us warm.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by blueash

BOOM

For those who want an explanation of how CO2 and methane DO act as greenhouse gases, and why there is a nice website from Columbia university with simple clear science. And you tube videos of how you can prove it to yourself. So Simple Even a sounding can do it.

How Exactly Does Carbon Dioxide Cause Global Warming? - You Asked

For those who don't click on links. The sun heats the earth in the visible light spectrum. The warm earth releases some of this heat back upwards into the atmosphere. Think how a dark rock is hot as it has trapped then released heat. That released heat is infrared heat. You have all likely used infrared heat lamps.

Infrared energy is invisible, just off the rainbow of colors we see, ultraviolet being just off the other side. Infrared energy waves come in contact with the molecules of the atmosphere as they travel from the warmed earth into the sky. Some molecules do not interact with infrared. The energy passes thru and continues into space. Oxygen ignores infrared. Nitrogen ignores infrared.

CO2 and other greenhouse gases do interact with infrared energy. They absorb some of it. Once the CO2 molecule absorbs the infrared heat, it then radiates it back out into the atmosphere, just like the dark rock absorbed it on the earth then radiated it out.

Some of the radiated energy goes up, back toward space, some goes down back toward the earth. That which is radiated back down to us warms us, and the planet.

Water vapor is also a greenhouse gas. It is an oversimplification but everyone here is 100% correct in noticing that cloudy nights are warmer than clear nights. Why? The amount of heat the warm earth is sending up toward space is the same whether cloudy or clear. But on cloudy nights that heat, infrared heat, cannot escape and is partially reflected back down keeping us warm.

Excellent pseudo-science response -- especially the psuedo part. 1. Columbia is the home of Dr. James Hansen, the Father of Global Warming, who has made even more outlandish forecasts than Al Gore (see image). 2. Back-radiation to earth is a myth. A cooler object can not heat a warmer object - according to the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. 3. Again, where is the documented proof that man-made CO2 warmed the earth and by how much.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by sounding

Why doesn't the NYT tell you there are at least 138 volcanoes under western Antarctica - and many are causing the ice melt much faster than eastern Antarctica? .

More facts that are lies. Yes there are 138 volcanoes in Antarctica. Only one has erupted in the last 50 years. Most have estimated last volcanic activity over a million years ago. But go ahead and throw out 137 volcanoes because people will think, well all those volcanoes are melting the ice. Deceptive, like many other of your posts.

And if you care to check your prejudice for accuracy. Try to google New York Times and Antarctic volcano and see if in FACT the NYT has reported on volcanoes there. Hint, they have.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by blueash

More facts that are lies. Yes there are 138 volcanoes in Antarctica. Only one has erupted in the last 50 years. Most have estimated last volcanic activity over a million years ago. But go ahead and throw out 137 volcanoes because people will think, well all those volcanoes are melting the ice. Deceptive, like many other of your posts.

And if you care to check your prejudice for accuracy. Try to google New York Times and Antarctic volcano and see if in FACT the NYT has reported on volcanoes there. Hint, they have.

Perfect example how media misinformation is working, by not doing stories of the many research papers of thermal warming, greenhouse gassing, and including Mt Erebus which has been continually erupting for over 100 years and is increasing in activity. You can even take a cruise to Antarctica and swim in volcanic heated waters -- where the ice has already melted.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Marine1974

Carbon dioxide (CO2) is a greenhouse gas. This means that it causes an effect like the glass in a greenhouse, trapping heat and warming up the inside.

Unfortunately, it's quite a bit more complicated than that.