[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by grubberlr

agree
to think mankind affects the weather is plain arrogant

our activity is irrelevant

Based on what? I am asking seriously.

I mean to think that waving a copper wire close to a rock would power an automobile is pure nonsense - right?

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

So you are saying any studies that are in anyway paid for by Fossil Fuel companies is subject to question. I can agree with that.

As is any study that is done by the EV industry. You work in AI and I worked in IT so I know how easy it is to manipulate data. As far as social media is concerned it is simply a matter of who can manipulate it best.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

As is any study that is done by the EV industry. You work in AI and I worked in IT so I know how easy it is to manipulate data. As far as social media is concerned it is simply a matter of who can manipulate it best.

I am not sure what social media as to do with anything. I hope you don't look to social media for any background on anything.

As far as EVs go, I guess every auto manufacturer in the world disagrees with you, since they are all betting their futures on EV now.

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

I am not sure what social media as to do with anything. I hope you don't look to social media for any background on anything.

As far as EVs go, I guess every auto manufacturer in the world disagrees with you, since they are all betting their futures on EV now.

I don’t but I know many do. I know a woman who told me she gets all her news from Utube because those people research everything.

That is exactly my point about EVs. No one is going to discuss the pitfalls. You can’t believe any study unless you know who funded it.

[ohioshooter]

I’ve decided, I believe, but then again I don’t believe TBL.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

I don’t but I know many do. I know a woman who told me she gets all her news from Utube because those people research everything.

That is exactly my point about EVs. No one is going to discuss the pitfalls. You can’t believe any study unless you know who funded it.

Well, I guess we will just have to disagree on EVs. I have seen almost countless information about pro's and con's. All the sources I follow talk about the difficult time we face, and how much it is going to cost to convert. Which is reflected in all my posts. It is going to be hard, slow and expensive. That is no secret. It would one easier, and faster (still expensive) if one party hadn't dragged politics into it.

[Boffin]

I am sure:
1. Climate changes.
2. Human activities contribute to that change.
I am not so sure how much human activities contribute to climate change. However, I am inclined to think not very much. Nevertheless, the climate change phenomena seems to be generating a lot of profitable activities.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I would have gone with having the global warming believers stop breathing and putting out CO2, but that's just me
Especially since it's just a lot of hot air anyway

I produce more methane than CO2.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by Boffin

I am sure:
1. Climate changes.
2. Human activities contribute to that change.
I am not so sure how much human activities contribute to climate change. However, I am inclined to think not very much. Nevertheless, the climate change phenomena seems to be generating a lot of profitable activities.

Human activities have definitely changed local climates
Look at the amount of green pasture land here has been changed to concrete and asphalt, which are heat sinks, and green grass is not, and think of the large cities, such as Bangalore, which 50 years ago was all green natural land, Bangalore's average annual temperature has increased 10 degrees.

how have humans changed the earth's temperature is with steel/concrete/asphalt heat sinks for solar radiation. . . but we can't change that at all. .

good luck

[Kenswing]

I can’t believe you guys took the bait from this OP.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

I can’t believe you guys took the bait from this OP.

Sure we did - LOL!

We can go around this tree forever!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

If you placed fewer insults and more attention to detail you might convince more people. All the "political" insults you include (woke) tend to cast doubt on your motivations.

If the "woke" people consider being called "woke" an insult, well, I guess that speaks for itself.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

So you are saying any studies that are in anyway paid for by Fossil Fuel companies is subject to question. I can agree with that.

I think he is saying that any studies that are funded by government grants (which are most of them) are driven by a political agenda, especially "woke" far left white house staffers

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Based on what? I am asking seriously.

I mean to think that waving a copper wire close to a rock would power an automobile is pure nonsense - right?

To start with, based on the 8 scientific facts I already posted

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Boffin

I am sure:
1. Climate changes.
2. Human activities contribute to that change.
I am not so sure how much human activities contribute to climate change. However, I am inclined to think not very much. Nevertheless, the climate change phenomena seems to be generating a lot of profitable activities.

1) absolutely correct

2) almost nil