[Notsocrates]

Originally Posted by metalic

Climate change is what the scientists call what is happening to the Earth's climate - generally warming and with increased examples of extreme weather, such as higher highs, lower lows, more droughts and more floods.

Global warming is what climate change deniers call what is happening, so that they can point to a few places that are cooler and claim that since not everywhere is warming then the scientists must be lying.

Scientists stopped using the term "Global Warming" 15 years ago because it was confusing, which is exactly why climate change deniers continue to use it.

Don't be fooled!

Another confusion that climate change deniers like to use in their arguments is to look at weather rather than climate.

Weather changes from day to day and is to be expected. When climate - the long term pattern of pattern - changes it is a cause for concern.

If a particular day is cooler than the same day last year then that comes as no surprise. If it has been getting warmer every year for most of the past 20 years then attention needs to be paid to it and an explanation sought. That explanation is climate change.

Don't be fooled!

The vast majority of scientists (not the 97% quoted in some articles, but over 80%) believe that the significant changes in climate since industrialization has largely been caused by us.

Why would so many intelligent people believe something if it were not true? Their scientific work relies on proof and evidence, so they are unlikely to believe something unless they have both of these. Climate change deniers have failed to come with a valid reason why 80+% of scientists have been fooled or are lying.

One reason they give is that by claiming there is rapid climate change scientists can get increased funding for their work on climate change. However, the vast majority of these scientists are NOT working in the field of climate change so would not end up with increased funding. Exactly the opposite - there is a relatively fixed pot of funds available to finance scientific research, so if you support spending more on climate change research you are leaving less funding for your field of research.

Don't be fooled!

I 5hought this forum is to be FREE OF POLITICS.
Why is this rant allowed?

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Notsocrates

I 5hought this forum is to be FREE OF POLITICS.
Why is this rant allowed?

First, politics is controlling agent behind the "man-made" climate change narrative, because the data says otherwise. Second, if this type of politics is being allowed, then we must ask -- is the Talk of The Villages platform being controlled by the global warming establishment.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Notsocrates

I 5hought this forum is to be FREE OF POLITICS.
Why is this rant allowed?

Probably because he is expressing an opinion, and there is no mention of politics, unless somebody is inferring something that is not there

PS: I don't concur with that opinion, but I'll defend his right to express it

[Taltarzac725]

Nicely put.

Originally Posted by metalic

Climate change is what the scientists call what is happening to the Earth's climate - generally warming and with increased examples of extreme weather, such as higher highs, lower lows, more droughts and more floods.

Global warming is what climate change deniers call what is happening, so that they can point to a few places that are cooler and claim that since not everywhere is warming then the scientists must be lying.

Scientists stopped using the term "Global Warming" 15 years ago because it was confusing, which is exactly why climate change deniers continue to use it.

Don't be fooled!

Another confusion that climate change deniers like to use in their arguments is to look at weather rather than climate.

Weather changes from day to day and is to be expected. When climate - the long term pattern of pattern - changes it is a cause for concern.

If a particular day is cooler than the same day last year then that comes as no surprise. If it has been getting warmer every year for most of the past 20 years then attention needs to be paid to it and an explanation sought. That explanation is climate change.

Don't be fooled!

The vast majority of scientists (not the 97% quoted in some articles, but over 80%) believe that the significant changes in climate since industrialization has largely been caused by us.

Why would so many intelligent people believe something if it were not true? Their scientific work relies on proof and evidence, so they are unlikely to believe something unless they have both of these. Climate change deniers have failed to come with a valid reason why 80+% of scientists have been fooled or are lying.

One reason they give is that by claiming there is rapid climate change scientists can get increased funding for their work on climate change. However, the vast majority of these scientists are NOT working in the field of climate change so would not end up with increased funding. Exactly the opposite - there is a relatively fixed pot of funds available to finance scientific research, so if you support spending more on climate change research you are leaving less funding for your field of research.

Don't be fooled!

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Probably because he is expressing an opinion, and there is no mention of politics, unless somebody is inferring something that is not there

PS: I don't concur with that opinion, but I'll defend his right to express it

Agreed. All science is, is the formulation of hypotheses based on assumedly-legitimate data, always with the possibility that the hypotheses will change as new data becomes available. Science is NOT dogma.

Science is not political, unless we make it so. And as soon as we make it so, we cheapen it.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by sounding

First, politics is controlling agent behind the "man-made" climate change narrative, because the data says otherwise. Second, if this type of politics is being allowed, then we must ask -- is the Talk of The Villages platform being controlled by the global warming establishment.

Wrong on both counts.
First, scientific data is the "agent" that first brought the fact of human effect on climate change, NOT politics.

Second, politics IS likely an "agent" behind deniers narrative.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Agreed. All science is, is the formulation of hypotheses based on assumedly-legitimate data, always with the possibility that the hypotheses will change as new data becomes available. Science is NOT dogma.

Science is not political, unless we make it so. And as soon as we make it so, we cheapen it.

It is a mess in psychology and psychiatry but meteorology is rather settled. Even if they still have a lot of problems predicting where hurricanes will land.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

It is a mess in psychology and psychiatry but meteorology is rather settled. Even if they still have a lot of problems predicting where hurricanes will land.

If it's settled, then reliable forecasting will be forever limited to just a couple days. So sad.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Wrong on both counts.
First, scientific data is the "agent" that first brought the fact of human effect on climate change, NOT politics.

Second, politics IS likely an "agent" behind deniers narrative.

All you have to do is listen to who claims the science is settled.

[OhioBuckeye]

I think it’s a bunch of Hooie. When Al Gore made his hundreds of millions of dollars our present administration thought they would get some of our tax dollars too! 50 to 70 yrs. ago there were 130,000 glaziers & today there’s still
130,000 glaziers this is just a hundred yr. cycle. I say don’t fall for it. We would have to get the whole world to go along with us & you know that’ll never happen. But your article makes since. This is just a money grab BS!

[sounding]

Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye

I think it’s a bunch of Hooie. When Al Gore made his hundreds of millions of dollars our present administration thought they would get some of our tax dollars too! 50 to 70 yrs. ago there were 130,000 glaziers & today there’s still
130,000 glaziers this is just a hundred yr. cycle. I say don’t fall for it. We would have to get the whole world to go along with us & you know that’ll never happen. But your article makes since. This is just a money grab BS!

We know glaciers are growing because we keep hearing about glacier calving. Advancing glaciers calve (like cows) ... retreating glaciers melt (like ice cream).

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye

I think it’s a bunch of Hooie. When Al Gore made his hundreds of millions of dollars our present administration thought they would get some of our tax dollars too! 50 to 70 yrs. ago there were 130,000 glaziers & today there’s still
130,000 glaziers this is just a hundred yr. cycle. I say don’t fall for it. We would have to get the whole world to go along with us & you know that’ll never happen. But your article makes since. This is just a money grab BS!

Report: Al Gore's net worth at $200 million - CBS News

Where Al Gore got his $200 million.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by sounding

We know glaciers are growing because we keep hearing about glacier calving. Advancing glaciers calve (like cows) ... retreating glaciers melt (like ice cream).

As usual too many over-generalizations. Fact check: No, the glaciers are not growing in Glacier National Park >> Yale Climate Connections

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Report: Al Gore's net worth at $200 million - CBS News

Where Al Gore got his $200 million.

CBS is not known for accuracy ... All Fake News – All The Time | Real Climate Science

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by sounding

If it's settled, then reliable forecasting will be forever limited to just a couple days. So sad.

Too many variables to make accurate weather forecasts more than a few days out. It is physics and mathematics. They have gotten a lot better at upcoming weather over the next few days. They can go by patterns for predictions for future weather events.

How Reliable Are Weather Forecasts? | NOAA SciJinks – All About Weather