BUT...............I don't believe we can completely blame China for COVID, when it came from here and then was given to them for research and development into whatever.......
I guess we will never get the whole truth about it.....since it will probably embarrass D.C. a bit it the truth came out.

From? No, they died WITH Covid...

But it has to be related to the Coral Reefs dying, right?

How a climate change "debate" got morphed into a platform for some people clinging to questionable opinions on COVID vaccines after 2 years of data from multiple countries is beyond me.

Especially the same people saying that the China vaccines are no good, and the US ones are better, but still fake at the same time.

OK, I can go along with a MAYBE on the CDC figure with respect to Covid deaths. I don't have access to any better numbers or any reason to question their statistics. That said, the Covid death count is STILL going up, but, thankfully, at a rate much less than during the Delta surge. I recently heard a Doctor on TV say that Covid hospitalizations have recently risen 40% to the point of causing problems for some Hospitals. And he was worried about the combination of Holiday travel and colder winter weather.

As a medical note .....recent research has produced a nasal inhaler that takes the place of a Covid shot. I am sure that you are aware of this. The problem was stated that the inhaler concept REQUIRED more money to be invested and that may NOT happen. Any thoughts?

Just one thought about this "Cooling Is Coming" thread ... why has the earth been cooling for the last 7 years? Or better yet, why is the earth experiencing record cold and record snowfalls so early? Both Bloomberg and the Telegraph (and others) all said there will be no more snow, and children will suffer from not knowing what snow is. And yet, they are sledding and skiing in England -- and it ain't even winter yet.

I’ll give up my gas burner when the climate czars all give up their private jets and 7000 sq ft mansions as well as contributing 90% of their net worth to the cause. Put up or shut up.

There IS a relationship. Today's modern world is FULL of interrelationships, especially between the US and China, which we know are the world's biggest polluters. And China currently has a population of 1.4 Billion people. The world population is about 8 Trillion compare to about 1 Trillion in 1800. The Chinese middle-class increased rapidly and they are all driving vehicles that are burning fossil fuel, which is greatly adding to the problems of Global Warming. So, the Chinese population is a big factor in the increasing or decreasing pressure on Global Warming. China has handled its Covid problem badly and is desperate for a solution. Their Covid problem has decreased their factory outputs and decreased their middle class's driving habits. The overall result could (?) be to
produce less EXCESS CO2 and be good for the planet's environment and, hopefully, help combat Global Warming.

Isn't that what people call "a distinction without a difference"?

Nope. Big difference. I know of people who died in auto accidents who were diagnosed post-mortem with Covid. Guess what went on their death certificate? The CDC even has guidelines how post-mortem swabs that reveal COVID should be treated:


Collection and Submission of Postmortem Specimens from Deceased Persons with Confirmed or Suspected COVID-19

Postmortem Guidance
Updated Apr. 4, 2022
(CDC Website)

And not just accident victims. I personally knew a guy who was hospitalized for COVID. He was uneventfully recovering: I called him and he was looking forward to getting out and back to work. That night, he died of a cardiac arrest.

Another COVID statistic? You can bet the farm on that.

Do you mean the dreaded, "Fish Covid" starting on coral reefs and migrating to the Arctic Ocean and causing the icebergs to melt?

8 TRILLION people?

You sure about that?

And just repeating non sequiturs doesn't an argument make...

Not at all.

You can have psoriasis when you die and not die from psoriasis...

There's an old saying that seem relevant now,. " I have to call BS on that..."

If there is a relationship between man-made CO2 and global warming, then tell me ... how much has "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year? Otherwise it's a myth. What isn't a myth, is the satellite and surface data showing a 7-year cooling trend.

Uggh, it just never ends…

Ironically, there has been a cooling trend for the last seven years because there was a particularly HOT year at about that time. While recent years still show a warming trend, if you choose to start at a particularly HOT point then even warm years look cooler.

With decades of data, you chose a point seven years ago because doing so showed what you wanted it to. Perhaps you didn’t notice that you chose an example of a warming climate to try to make your point that the climate is cooling… or maybe you thought no one would bother to look.

The next dozen times when you trot out the question of the seven years, please include this post - it will save me the time and trouble of doing it myself.

Yes with each particularly hot wave, there will follow a particularly cold wave. This 7-year cooling trend just may be that Al Gore tipping point he was talking about which continues its downward trend. Fortunately, adding more CO2 actually helps global cooling, but that is just part of the answer. Stay tuned for more "cooling" topics.

Yes, 7.8 Trillion to be more exact. I decided to round up.

And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

As a matter of fact, I just heard a news reporter talking to a British News Reporter in China about a huge, HORRIFIC new SURGE in Covid deaths and hospitalizations due to China's lifting of the tight Covid restrictions. China 1st made the mistake of forcibly imprisoning whole condos of people to prevent an outbreak of Covid for the purpose of "maintaining social stability". Then when their masses got tired and rebelled, China's 2nd stupid move is to move too quickly to remove Covid restrictions - AGAIN in the name of "social stability". Now, they have a SURGE of Covid cases and NO "social stability". The best estimate is for one million DEATHS in the next year.

The already large number of unreported Deaths added to the 1 MILLION predicted deaths add up to much less industrial and other activity, which will affect CO2 in a significant manner (likely decreasing future potential worldwide Global Warming). That much population change in a top-polluting and populated country HAS TO HAVE A major effect on Climate Change.

Just Google the current world population. And IF it IS true that no one takes me seriously, then I will just say that I tried my best to be informative. No one can please everyone!

I recommend you do the same. Pay a little more attention to how many zeros there are after the 7.8.

And the earth continues to turn, like it has got billions of years. Tired of these narratives...

Wow! Thats rounding in a big way. 7.8 Trillion people at 98.6 F/each (or so). No wonder we have global warming.

And it will without us on it trillions of more years. We are destroying our great grandchildren's world while arguing about established science.

My search said 8 Billion a/o November.
So the planet is getting warmer as a result of the effects of industrialization, global habitat destruction, polution and over population. 8 billion humans, poisoning the land and water, decimating the old growth forests (the lungs of the planet), covering the land with concrete and filling the air with exhaust fumes. 8 Billion is more than enough to have a negative impact.

Earth can easily handle double or triple that. Who knows, maybe even more. There is safety in numbers, especially if you have another extinction asteroid event -- and even another black plague or something. As soon as the Greenland ice melts, that's lots more land for people -- and the Vikings might even return then to the "Green" lands. Survival is dependent on numbers -- the more better. The more CO2 the better -- and the more warmer the better. However more taxes is not better.

To the best of my knowledge, TOTV forums are not required reading.

If humans were all hunter/gatherers, like our forebearers, I might, might consider it possibile. But with all our industry and wonderous and destructive technologies, no way. Humankind is a force to be reckoned with. A powerful and very world changing force.

Especially since the use of atomic weapons and nuclear facility accidents.

I will bet someone else is watching us very carefully now and not just abducting specimens to take tests on for various experiments.

Global warming is very real and is extremely well documented. Global warming and climate change effects: information and facts

And now we are introducing alien abduction into the conversation? C'mon man! :22yikes:

Let's not forget the damage from 1 volcano can do. Don't laugh until you research the real damage caused.

I'm not laughing. But the volcano is a natually occuring geological force. Can't do much about that. We can, however, alter our own ways in order to minimize the impact that we have.

Minimizing trash is good. Minimizing CO2 is not good.

Ha ha. Why not? This could be fun. Let's see where it goes.

Organic fuel has been used since man first learned how to produce fire and start cooking his steak. I am not going to worry about this world's condition in a thousand years, or even a hundred. I plan to use all the gasoline, natural gas, charcoal briquettes, wood for smoking, etc. We won't run out of oil in my lifetime, but if for some reason it did happen, there is plenty of other organic fuel available to burn. I am satisfied that the air is cleaner now than when I was a child. I will likely live to be 95-100+ years old before I pass and I plan to eat red meat until I can't. Computers were supposed to eliminate paper use, but I have more documents to shred than I can handle. If you want to eat vegan style, go for it. I don't care if you do, but don't try to force me to convert. If I become diabetic, I will cut back on my sugar consumption. If I start having blood pressure issues, I will cut back on my salt. Otherwise, I plan to enjoy my life on earth. If other countries do not like the way the U.S. lives then they can stop allowing all those millions to escape to this great country. If those other countries are jealous of our great lifestyles, they have the same ability as we did to get where we are today.
But back to the point, I always hear how "they" say man is causing global warming, but I have yet to see any proof. Now "they" attempt to say that since there is no record of climate change before man existed, then it didn't happen. SO, all those text books we were taught from when children were myth? Maybe I am wrong but seems to me we were taught that the giant dinosaurs died off due to climate change. Did mankind cause the climate to change? We were taught that glaciers caused our great mountain ranges. Did mankind cause the ice to melt?
Maybe folks refuse to believe in man caused climate change because billions of our tax dollars are wasted on endless research every year. Or, maybe some of us do not subscribe to man caused "climate change" because we were taught that climate change is always happening and always has happened, regardless of mankind's contribution.

OK if I did NOT get the zeros right, then I sincerely apologize. I posted that a couple of times and my point, MY MAIN point, was the COMPARISON that I made between the world population in 1800 (about the industrial revolution) and today - and that comparison was that the INCREASE in population over that time period was a factor of about 8. There are 8 times as many people on the planet today as there were in 1800. I really don't care too much about the zeros - a million million, a thousand million, a million billion.........NOT important.

What I thought was important was the GROWTH factor of EIGHT for the population after 1800. Because that is WHY the CO2 is now EXCESSIVE and we had no Global Warming problem in 1800, but today we have a man-made Global Warming problem.

Thank you sincerely. OK 8 BILLION. I will now commit that to memory.

Not true. I wrote in another post that there was a behavioral science experiment about putting more AND MORE rats in an enclosure. It went fine (for the rats) with just a few rats. But, with crowding they eventually KILLED each other. More of something is not always good. Having sufficient of something is preferable. Think about adding more and more SALT to each subsequent bite of steak - starts out good and then gets terrible.

I think that the US COULD (?) have more people, but that depends on the proper food, housing, infrastructure and etc for them. Today the US even has water problems for some people in some areas. And there are few people talking about what IS the IDEAL US population? I guess about 250 million. I don't comprehend the idea that more people are necessarily better. Animals like deer and bear regulate their population depending on the CHANGING environment. No one can tell me that humans are some intelligent SPIRITS that do NOT need space, food, and water. When some human goes without water for 3 years, then I will listen to someone that says the human population SHOULD be INFINITE. That just defies logic and COMMON SENSE !!!!!!