Consensus happens when there is agreement because the data supports it in science.

Show us the proof that no studies have been done. How much did man-made CO2 combined with the effects of all of mankind's worldwide activities and habitat distrution raise the overall average global temperature?

When consensus is reached, thinking stops. Einstein.

Furthermore ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOF7pPmMYY0

Even Einstein made mistakes.

Sorry. As is the legal system, one is innocent until proven guilty. Those who claim guilt -- such as 2nd hand smoke causes harm -- must produce the evidence. Otherwise, 2nd hand smoke is innocent -- by law.

You can't prove a negative...

Yet it can be asserted that there are invisible space aliens causing global warming :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Because of a Cold Front ... The Dec 15 Weather Club meeting is cancelled due to the threat of severe weather. However, the same talk (How The Oceans Influence Our Weather) will be given Dec 16 (Friday) at 4 PM at the Lake Miona Recreation Center for the Philosophy Club.

Just to be informative, I did not say ANYTHING CLOSE to political in my post that was referred to. Fossil fuel usage, excess CO2 production (that is producing ocean acids that are killing coral reefs, the earth's temperature increase, and China and the US being top polluters (making their populations most important in terms of trying to SOLVE problems associated with Global Warming!) Nothing about that statement has anything to do with any particular party and is neither political nor biased against ANY ethnic group or even religion.

As far as fusion is concerned I just yesterday hear a scientist say that the recent news, while important, is MERELY proof of CONCEPT. He listed SO many problems taking years to go from concept proof to practical application. Most likely, none of us will be alive to see electricity generated in practical quantities. If someone in Villageland wanted to do something constructive for their grandchildren, they would buy an electric golf cart.

As far as

It is a COLDLY calculated statement of PROBLEMS facing the WORLD. which are so LARGE and comprehensive that they make politics seem like a child's game. China does NOT even have political parties or Russia, but they DO have CO2-emitting fossil fuel vehicles. And Russia has a WAR machine that contributes NOTHING to the
world and wastes fossil fuel for the purpose of killing people and destroying grain and agriculture that the whole world needs. That is part of the war and pestilence PROBLEM that I have been speaking about. Compared to these world climate and other large problems, individual countries' internal politics PALE in comparison.

As far as China's past attempt at population control failing.......I am NOT a Chinese history expert. I believe that they MANDATED married couples to have only one child. Then people wanted ONLY male children and they were even killing female babies. Apparently, that was NOT a well-thought-out solution and they gave it up. I will give them credit for the concept of TRYING to equate their population with their resources at the time. But, they maybe should have tried some different solution like maybe (just spitballing here) having a LOTTERY to pick the parents to have children. Using CHANCE to determine parenthood would at least be fair and they could have ended up with about 50% males and an equal number of females. I am sure that someone in Villageland is more capable of discussing Chinese history that what I just presented.

Yeah, you need to update your knowledge regarding Chinese population control which includes the fact that they were now attempting to encourage couples to have children due to the severe drop in population. Search under China being haunted by it’s one child policy. I’ll wait to hear from you after you done the extensive research.

And I personally find your earlier post to be extremely political and slanted. IMHO.

It is part of human nature to choose to avoid thinking about problems. Historically, the US tried everything to avoid the PROBLEM of getting involved in WW2. Winston Churchill even had that famous quote about the US ALWAYS doing the right thing AFTER all other options are eliminated. I guess what I am saying is that Global Warming is a PROBLEM that 99% of scientists are fully aware of, BUT that the LAY public seems to blindly ignore for the most part. I am merely suggesting that ignoring the PROBLEM is going to soon bite the world in its collective backside!

Normally the act of and the work put into arriving at a consensus by the scientific method REVEALS other issues and fertile areas to be further EXPLORED. Science NEVER STOPS !

Although sometimes the FUNDING does stop.

So science is reporting a great discovery in fusion energy and all you can do is say it’s too late. And how is your research on Chinese population control issues coming along?

Wait, I thought "The Science was settled"...

Ditto. Once one believes in man-made climate change, then the sky's the limit on being able to make up anything they tickles their fancy -- especially telling others how to live, but not them -- like the global warming establishment telling us to ride bikes while they fly private jets.

You beat me to it. China wanted population control but unfortunately the whole idea has gotten away from them.

They have a disaster in the making as the population ages and they have to figure out how to finance their version of social security while facing a huge shortage of workers as their population quickly ages..

Well, it appears that 99% of scientists have reached the consensus that Global Warming is real and man-made. Now they are turning their attention to things like improving battery life for electric vehicles and improving the power grid and hardening sub-stations, Science never stops.

Part of China's worker shortage is that they killed them off by having a bad, ineffective "HOMEGROWN" Covid vaccine. They refused to use effective ones like the US developed. China crashed headlong into the principle that wars and pestilence control populations. And the Russian war with the Ukraine is an example of war controlling both their populations.

The population issue was pre-covid and I personally find these premises ridiculous. You can’t sell your positions to anyone who is even slightly educated in the current climate debate. I’m moving on.

I wish you would make up your mind. In one post, you state they've reached a consensus, and in another you state that "Science never stops"... Which is it?

And "Global Warming"? Really? You, of all people should know they dropped that mantra years ago in favor of "Climate Change"...

And I'm pretty sure that it's not scientists who are working on "Hardening sub-stations"... That sounds like a job for security experts, or even the military... Not guys in white lab coats...

You're blaming China's worker shortage on COVID??? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

And you're actually stating that the US Vaccine was "EFFECTIVE"?

Lest I repeat myself... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Do you have a citation for this? Do you mean political scientists?

What do you even know about science...What's your CV?

Nope
 

Improving battery life? Yes, I believe you will find that it is NOT gov sponsored "scientists" that are attempting to improve the life of batteries, but private corporations that are doing so. Power grid hardening? Power stations and sub-stations have always been a target in wars and terrorism, so what's the point you are attempting to make?
Wasn't the original reason for chicken little's "the sky is falling" warning was that we would run OUT of fossil fuels during our lifetime? By the way, the first electric powered auto was somewhere around 1830ish and was not created with the purpose of saving the planet from pollution or global warming.

We all know that the military (of any country) has the money and the NEED to support scientists and technicians in the development of NEW technologies. You can't HARDEN a substation by putting a physical person there to guard it. (too many substations) (too easy a target). The hardening problem is going to require at least old technology like cameras on the ground or cameras in the air on drones and people monitoring multiple substations. ............OR the US is going to need to develop NEW technologies to harden substations and other vulnerable targets within the US borders, like key bridges. The US has enemies abroad AND within and has often been able to RELY on having the BEST weapons to fight because of US innovations and patents produced by .........wait for it.......... laboratory SCIENTISTS.

Space is also a potential laboratory and possible battlefield where the US needs to dominate the scientific field. Incidentally, this brings up the need for home-grown scientists that are produced by world-class high schools and colleges. Currently, the US public and private high schools are rated poorly compared to the rest of the world. For Americans to properly understand and support (with tax dollars) EVERYTHING from Global Warming (there I said it again) to modern military science we need better secondary education and for the "best and the brightest" college students to enter the science and engineering fields INSTEAD of being drawn by the big money toward the business and science fields. This will take a realignment of social goals similar to the 1960s goal of being the 1st to get to the MOON.

Yes to question #1

Yes to question #2
........and I will spare others the teenage-inspired laughing icons doing sit-ups or whatever they are doing?

That's a great picture of MY car. I ride it around the golf courses and everyone thinks that it is a custom golf cart. It is SO very quiet and NEVER needs to visit a gas station and it doesn't smell at all like most gas golf carts. It gives off ZERO pollution so I am NOT adding to Global Warming and therefore saving the planet. And people buy me free drinks because I am so KIND to the environment. It's a win-win. I feel like an environmental Santa Claus for giving a present to Mother Earth.

Mother Earth needs her pick-me-up present because her upper atmosphere is polluted with EXCESS CO2 from those villainous fossil fuel-burning golf carts. Her oceans are polluted with coral reef-killing bleaching acid caused by EXCESS CO2. Her pet furry animals are going extinct and the average US citizen could give a flying ..........raindeer. And her lakes and rivers are drying up. Poor old girl - mother earth.

I thought this was your car...

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/92/93/a4/9...na-barbera.jpg

Sorry, you have it backwards:

Our modern SUVs are what the climate change believers THINK Fred Flintstone drove

The picture you posted is what they WANT the rest of us to drive. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Well, since China has had a worker shortage for decades before Covid, you would be wrong...

And to call a vaccine that:

1: Doesn't stop you from getting Covid (as it was promised to do), and...
2: Doesn't stop transmission of Covid (as it was promised to do)... and
3: That MAY make your infection less severe, and
4: May be linked to Myocarditis in young men, Blood Clots in women "EFFECTIVE", takes a Cirque de Soleil caliber contortionist...

But, you're free to believe whatever you want, and repeat yourself over and over and over again...

Touche´

Good overview of climate science...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt2d...4gqIC-&index=2

Atmospheric CO2 is not the cause of climate change...It is the outcome.

That's my wife's car. Notice the missing front windshield. That is so she can yell at all the bad drivers that pass her and cut her off. And stop and talk to the neighbors.

My wife won't drive, but she still yells at the bad drivers.

Thanka, but I am not the only one that repeats things often here. Also, China may have done many things before Covid like participating in the Korean War. But their population and middle class started to increase only AFTER they opened up trade with the US (and stole our technology). I never really thought that the US got real benefits from the trade with China. Recently, our dependency on China as a parts supplier to automobiles has played out. And in the future with Robotics and A.I. ,we need them a lot less.

As far as the Chinese worker shortage goes......that's their problem. I just stated that their totally messed up response to Covid has hurt our supply lines and shown the downsides of outsourcing in general. From China's point of view, they badly handled their Covid problem and they locked down whole cities. Some people locked in small apartments may have gotten so "stir crazy" that they committed suicide by pills or jumping off roofs. China is not going to release statistics about THOSE deaths. Then, there would be X - unknown deaths from Covid itself. And MORE deaths from the clash between Police and rioters.

So, the net result is FEWER available Chinese factory workers because of Covid (I can't say AFTER Covid because after Covid does not exist anywhere) - (a 40% increase in the US currently). That IS my point. Covid has caused the deaths of many Chinese workers. I don't see how that statement can be argued against.

ONE MILLION US citizens died from Covid, basically, before the VERY EFFECTIVE shots were available. Some that refused the shots have died. And SOME died that need NOT have died because they were infected by asymptomatic individuals that basically killed others by refusing to take the well-tested and VERY EFFECTIVE CV shots. There has NEVER been a perfect vaccine and really NOTHING in life is PERFECT, even me. The Covid shots are very close to perfect and if they had taken longer to develop, we may have had 2 million Americans DIE from Covid. So, that is something to be grateful for.

Maybe. One million died during or after having tested positive for COVID, how many died BECAUSE of Covid is debatable. And then there were the reports of those that were DOA after an accident and tested positive post-mortem. All I can say is the true number is probably less than a million and more than zero.

I don't believe that COVID is related to warming or cooling.