[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Record cold this winter in Florida would be weather. Global (world wide) temperature, look at that instead of picking some local weather phenomenon.

Yes! Absolutely look at that. But you have to look at it for 2 or 3 or 4000 years, not the last 20 or 50 or 100. Projections based on 20 years of data are WORTHLESS. (unless you are pushing a false narrative that will enrich a few)

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Today 98 degrees
Thurs 97 degrees
Fri 98 degrees
Sat 98 degrees
Sun 97 degrees

Coupled with a low of 76 - 77 degrees each day. That's actual temp not heat index. The heat index is forecast to be 111 - 113 degrees. - enjoy.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

It's called central Florida in August, no different than 200 years ago

Same dates last year
Aug 9 - 90 degrees
Aug 10 - 95 degrees
Aug 11 - 93 degrees
Aug 12 - 93 degrees
Aug 13 - 93 degrees

Proof positive climate is warming:
Same 5 days this year Vs last year are projected to be +8.6 degrees higher.
I could not find the same 5 days data from 200 years ago.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

That the rate of warming has increased over the last 150 years is no longer being disputed, even by the deniers. I won't be proving it, I'm not a climatologist and the data is available to anyone interested in googling it.

And you have proof that this is the ONLY 150 year period over the last 4 1/2 million years when the rate of warming has increased??? How about the periods where the rate of warming in the current 20,000 year cycle has slowed? How about the periods where the planet has cooled, even during the current warming cycle.

Again, we lack the data to conclude anything. The chicken little crowd thinks that extrapolating cherry picked data is "science" . Color me dubious.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Same dates last year
Aug 9 - 90 degrees
Aug 10 - 95 degrees
Aug 11 - 93 degrees
Aug 12 - 93 degrees
Aug 13 - 93 degrees

Proof positive climate is warming:
Same 5 days this year Vs last year are projected to be +8.6 degrees higher.
I could not find the same 5 days data from 200 years ago.

Proof positive????? Joking, right????

5 days this year compared to 5 days last year is "proof positive"

Maybe you should submit that premise to the department of climatology at Harvard university as your doctoral thesis

(Some days I wonder why I even bother to educate some people)

PS: If you actually read a few pages back you'll find that the days 7/27-8/3 are 2.6 degrees cooler this year than last, as I had previously posted. But that also proves NOTHING

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And you have proof that this is the ONLY 150 year period over the last 4 1/2 million years when the rate of warming has increased??? How about the periods where the rate of warming in the current 20,000 year cycle has slowed? How about the periods where the planet has cooled, even during the current warming cycle.

Again, we lack the data to conclude anything. The chicken little crowd thinks that extrapolating cherry picked data is "science" . Color me dubious.

For some reason you seem to be stuck in the past. I really don't care about 4 1/2 million years ago and I don't care about 4 1/2 million years from now. I care about what is happening today, what may be affecting it, and what might be done before my nieces, nephews, and their children have to deal with it.

One graph of data that shows the increased rate of warming over the last 150 years begins 2,000 years ago. Not the 4 1/2 million years that has your attention but hardly cherry picking.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

2 articles that try to spin a growing glacier as bad

Any questions?

Reminds me of those on Twitter who adamantly Tweet something, only to post the exact opposite a month or two later...

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Proof positive????? Joking, right????

5 days this year compared to 5 days last year is "proof positive"

Maybe you should submit that premise to the department of climatology at Harvard university as your doctoral thesis

(Some days I wonder why I even bother to educate some people)

PS: If you actually read a few pages back you'll find that the days 7/27-8/3 are 2.6 degrees cooler this year than last, as I had previously posted. But that also proves NOTHING

Yet you posted it as the lead into this thread to illustrate what - the climate is not warming ?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

For some reason you seem to be stuck in the past. I really don't care about 4 1/2 million years ago and I don't care about 4 1/2 million years from now. I care about what is happening today, what may be affecting it, and what might be done before my nieces, nephews, and their children have to deal with it.

One graph of data that shows the increased rate of warming over the last 150 years begins 2,000 years ago. Not the 4 1/2 million years that has your attention but hardly cherry picking.

OK, so which is it? Our increased warming began 150 years ago with the industrial revolution, or 2,000 years ago????? You're contradicting yourself.
But don't worry, your nieces and their children won't have to deal with it, not unless they live to be 25,000 years old.
The 4 1/2 million year date is the beginning or our current ice age. There have been numerous ice ages prior to this. And during this time, there are 70-120,000 year cycles of glaciation and interglacial thaws driven by the power of the sun, Earth's orbit and changes in Earth's axis, among other things. Currently we are 20,000 years into a warming cycle. None of it has anything to do with fossil fuels. This is why the 4 1/2 million years mark is relevant--it explains where our climate came from and why we are here today.
Are we accelerating the warming??? Maybe, but there isn't enough data nor any conclusive proof. Are the alarmists correct? Maybe, only time will tell. But that time frame is measured in millennia, not the lifetime of your grand-nieces.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by rustyp

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Yet you posted it as the lead into this thread to illustrate what - the climate is not warming ?

He posted it as an example of how the "Weather Readers" are misleading the public. Not as proof of any actual weather change...

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by rustyp

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Yet you posted it as the lead into this thread to illustrate what - the climate is not warming ?

First of all, you really should learn the difference between a "lead in" and a postscript.

Secondly, I posted it to emphasize that a one year comparison MEANS NOTHING, to EITHER side of the argument.

Geez, my bad, I thought the post was pretty clear

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I generally watch WFTV (ABC affiliate) in the morning for local news and weather. I have no idea about other stations, but for the last 2 weeks they have been pushing harder than ever their narrative of high temperatures. This morning they claimed that we have substantially higher temps than normal, and used the terms "unprecedented", and "dangerous". What is insidious is their use of "heat index" almost to the exclusion of actual temperatures so they can put triple number digits on their map. No comparison of these "heat indices" with past values are given.

OK, actual high temps in the Villages 7/27-8/3----94,96,95,96,96,98,96 avg 95.86
Oh, wait a minute, that was LAST year
This year, same dates---89,90,96,97,91,95,93 avg 93.00 or 2.86 deg COOLER
This is what the weatherman claimed is "substantially higher than usual". So I'm calling BS on that.
I can only assume that the news media has access to more complete temperature data than those numbers I just pulled off the accuweather website, so clearly they are LYING TO US. Why???? Is there an agenda at work here?

Meanwhile, pretty much all of Central Florida is under a heat advisory, which the weatherman stated was unusual. True, there was no heat advisory this time last year when it was 2.86 degrees WARMER. So why is that?

Well, heat advisories are issued by the National Weather Service, a division of NOAA which falls under the Department of Commerce, lead by a cabinet level secretary.
So, here is what they are doing:
"Today, U.S. Commerce Secretary Gina M. Raimondo announced funding opportunities from NOAA's $2.96 billion in Infrastructure Law funds to address the climate crisis and strengthen coastal resilience and infrastructure. Over the next five years, NOAA’s targeted investments in the areas of habitat restoration, coastal resilience, and climate data and services will advance ongoing federal efforts toward building climate resilience.

Looks like they're getting plenty of media support for their "efforts"

Draw your own conclusions, but IMHO it appears that reporting temps as heat indices, issuing heat advisories when it is actually cooler than last year, and Good Morning America's lead story every day on the weather serves to push the continuing false narrative of "global warming", for which a few figure to profit immensely.

Addendum: This morning's GMA story is about a glacier they hunted for that is melting at an "unprecedented" rate. Probably true, but there are other glaciers that are growing. And in another 40,000 years those glaciers will grow 2 miles of ice over much of the Northern Hemisphere.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

First of all, you really should learn the difference between a "lead in" and a postscript.

Secondly, I posted it to emphasize that a one year comparison MEANS NOTHING, to EITHER side of the argument.

Geez, my bad, I thought the post was pretty clear

What is a postscript in a letter?

A postscript is a brief message appended to the end of a letter (following the signature) or other text. A postscript is usually introduced by the letters P.S.

No PS. Centered mid post. Oh and look an addendum at the end.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Same dates last year
Aug 9 - 90 degrees
Aug 10 - 95 degrees
Aug 11 - 93 degrees
Aug 12 - 93 degrees
Aug 13 - 93 degrees

Proof positive climate is warming:
Same 5 days this year Vs last year are projected to be +8.6 degrees higher.
I could not find the same 5 days data from 200 years ago.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Proof positive????? Joking, right????

5 days this year compared to 5 days last year is "proof positive"

Maybe you should submit that premise to the department of climatology at Harvard university as your doctoral thesis

(Some days I wonder why I even bother to educate some people)

PS: If you actually read a few pages back you'll find that the days 7/27-8/3 are 2.6 degrees cooler this year than last, as I had previously posted. But that also proves NOTHING

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Originally Posted by rustyp

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Yet you posted it as the lead into this thread to illustrate what - the climate is not warming ?

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

First of all, you really should learn the difference between a "lead in" and a postscript.

Secondly, I posted it to emphasize that a one year comparison MEANS NOTHING, to EITHER side of the argument.

Geez, my bad, I thought the post was pretty clear

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Originally Posted by rustyp

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What is a postscript in a letter?

A postscript is a brief message appended to the end of a letter (following the signature) or other text. A postscript is usually introduced by the letters P.S.

No PS. Centered mid post. Oh and look an addendum at the end.

THIS is the thread. You referenced , by quoting, my response that included a POSTSCRIPT, clearly highlighted. Then you must have some sort of cognitive break by responding to my OP. I understand your confusion.

So to answer the question you intended, rather than the nonsense you actually posted, I made the OP not to dispute that we are currently in a warming cycle, but to question whether human activity has anything to do with it, while pointing out the incredibly obvious push of the narrative every day.

[rustyp]

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Originally Posted by rustyp

THIS is the thread. You referenced , by quoting, my response that included a POSTSCRIPT, clearly highlighted. Then you must have some sort of cognitive break by responding to my OP. I understand your confusion.

So to answer the question you intended, rather than the nonsense you actually posted, I made the OP not to dispute that we are currently in a warming cycle, but to question whether human activity has anything to do with it, while pointing out the incredibly obvious push of the narrative every day.

Speaking of cognitive breakdowns I had no question. I simply posted a statement of fact. Last year Aug 9 -13 was lower in temp than this year's forecast for the same days. I understand one of the conditions of delusion is cabin fever. Ah summer in mid Florida.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by rustyp

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Yet you posted it as the lead into this thread to illustrate what - the climate is not warming ?

Originally Posted by rustyp

Speaking of cognitive breakdowns I had no question. I simply posted a statement of fact. Last year Aug 9 -13 was lower in temp than this year's forecast for the same days. I understand one of the conditions of delusion is cabin fever. Ah summer in mid Florida.

Speaking of delusion and cognitive dissonance, it certainly looks like a question to me, including the correct punctuation with a question mark.

From an old TV commercial: A mind is a terrible thing to waste"

[fdpaq0580]

Such fun!