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Originally Posted by biker1

Subscribe to the AMS Journal of Climate, a peer reviewed journal. Read AR6, the summaries are sufficient. Ignore politicians, talking heads, and anyone those who takes an extreme positions such as the world will end soon and there isn't any anthropogenic warming.

Legitimate climate peer-review is a myth following climategate.

[biker1]

Exactly how many peer reviewed papers do you have in AMS Journals?

Originally Posted by sounding

Legitimate climate peer-review is a myth following climategate.

[mtdjed]

Originally Posted by Randall55

It's early in the season, but Anchorage Alaska has already seen record breaking amounts of snowfall. Some areas, surrounding the city, accumulated two feet within two days. A snow emergency has been declared. Is El Niño the cause? Do you think the scientists who support the theory of global warming are staring at their monitors in disbelief? Strange thing, I did not see this reported on the news as often as this summer's record breaking heat. Any thoughts on why?

Here we go again! It's colder today therefore, global warming is defunct. It's hotter today, therefore it proves global warming, Get ready for all of the village experts and another barrage of waisted time.

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Originally Posted by mtdjed

Here we go again! It's colder today therefore, global warming is defunct. It's hotter today, therefore it proves global warming, Get ready for all of the village experts and another barrage of waisted time.

Ok, stop wasting time ... how much did man-made CO2 warm the earth last year?

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

Here we go again! It's colder today therefore, global warming is defunct. It's hotter today, therefore it proves global warming, Get ready for all of the village experts and another barrage of waisted time.

OP stated nothing about cold weather. Increased precipitation is a result of global warming. This includes an abundance of snow fall.

[biker1]

Not exactly. The impact of warmer lower tropospheric temperatures is increased precipitation in some areas and decreased precipitation in other areas. With warmer temperatures, you will realize increased evaporation. This will increase the amount of water in the atmosphere (and available to rain out) but also increase drying in other areas. So far, anthropogenic warming has been mild; estimated at about 1C for the global surface temperature anomaly. Projected anthropogenic warming increases over the rest of the century will likely cause increased variability in precipitation.

Originally Posted by margaretmattson

OP stated nothing about cold weather. Increased precipitation is a result of global warming. This includes an abundance of snow fall.

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Originally Posted by biker1

Not exactly. The impact of warmer lower tropospheric temperatures is increased precipitation in some areas and decreased precipitation in other areas. With warmer temperatures, you will realize increased evaporation. This will increase the amount of water in the atmosphere (and available to rain out) but also increase drying in other areas. So far, anthropogenic warming has been mild; estimated at about 1C for the global surface temperature anomaly. Projected anthropogenic warming increases over the rest of the century will likely cause increased variability in precipitation.

"1C" warming via man-made CO2 is not a fact ... but we do know that we are still thawing out from the Little Ice Age regardless of what we do.

[fdpaq0580]

One thing is certain, there is a lot of hot air being created by this debate.

[biker1]

Your lack of understanding is remarkable. There has been some natural warming because we are in an interglacial period. We know there has been anthropogenic warming because of our understanding of radiative transfer physics and analysis of real data. The signature is quite clear from observations of stratospheric cooling and lower tropospheric warming, that matches Manabe's theory from 45 years ago. As I stated, the best estimate of anthropogenic warming is about 1C. The fact that you don't believe it is inconsequential. You may wish to actually try reading the AR6 instead of pulling up some graphic from 30 years ago that actually has nothing to do with anthropogenic warming.

Originally Posted by sounding

"1C" warming via man-made CO2 is not a fact ... but we do know that we are still thawing out from the Little Ice Age regardless of what we do.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by biker1

Your lack of understanding is remarkable. There has been some warming because we are in an interglacial period. We know there has been anthropogenic warming because of our understanding of radiative transfer physics. As I stated, the best estimate of anthropogenic warming is about 1C. The fact that you don't believe it is inconsequential.

Between you and me, I think he knows but just likes to argue.

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Originally Posted by biker1

Your lack of understanding is remarkable. There has been some natural warming because we are in an interglacial period. We know there has been anthropogenic warming because of our understanding of radiative transfer physics and analysis of real data. The signature is quite clear from observations of stratospheric cooling and lower tropospheric warming, that matches Manabe's theory from 45 years ago. As I stated, the best estimate of anthropogenic warming is about 1C. The fact that you don't believe it is inconsequential. You may wish to actually try reading the AR6 instead of pulling up some graphic from 30 years ago that actually has nothing to do with anthropogenic warming.

You can claim to be a wizard, or man created the 1C change ... but without proof you only have wishful thinking. CO2 is not a control knob - as history clearly shows.

[biker1]

Feel free to continue your membership in the Flat Earth Society. Still waiting to hear how many peer reviewed AMS journal papers you have published. By the way, I can always tell when someone can't support their argument. They resort to strawman arguments and then say "you can't prove it". In reality, few things are actually provable. For example, F=MA cannot be proven. There is a large body of data to suggest that it is essentially correct. The same thing applies to the Navier-Stokes equations. $1M awaits anyone who can prove a solution exists. Regardless, the N-S equations have been shown to be accurate for a variety of applications. The body of evidence supporting anthropogenic warming is large and has withstood critical examination.

Originally Posted by sounding

You can claim to be a wizard, or man created the 1C change ... but without proof you only have wishful thinking. CO2 is not a control knob - as history clearly shows.

[Dusty_Star]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Also when the temperature drops below 0°F for a few days in a row, you'll rarely see snow. In Alaska, it's pretty common to have 0-degree temps this time of year. The fact that it's snowing in record amounts means - it is WARM enough to snow, when normally it would not be.

"Can it be too cold to snow? It can snow when it’s very cold. As a matter of fact, snow can fall even in the coldest places on Earth, such as Antarctica, where temperatures are well below zero."

-EarthSky.org

[biker1]

The reason you don't often see snow with cold temperatures is because the cold temperatures are often associated with the subsidence behind a low pressure system - that is where the cold air is typically. However, low pressure systems, which create rising motion ahead of where they are tracking, can and do exist in what you consider to be cold air. For snow, you need rising motion, some moisture, and cold enough temperatures. The amount of moisture that the air can hold is exponentially related to temperature so warmer air has greater potential for higher snow amounts. However, low pressure centers can create a large amount of moisture convergence even with what you would consider to be low temperatures.


Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby View Post
Also when the temperature drops below 0°F for a few days in a row, you'll rarely see snow. In Alaska, it's pretty common to have 0-degree temps this time of year. The fact that it's snowing in record amounts means - it is WARM enough to snow, when normally it would not be.

Originally Posted by Dusty_Star

"Can it be too cold to snow? It can snow when it’s very cold. As a matter of fact, snow can fall even in the coldest places on Earth, such as Antarctica, where temperatures are well below zero."

-EarthSky.org

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Originally Posted by biker1

Feel free to continue your membership in the Flat Earth Society. Still waiting to hear how many peer reviewed AMS journal papers you have published. By the way, I can always tell when someone can't support their argument. They resort to strawman arguments and then say "you can't prove it". In reality, few things are actually provable. For example, F=MA cannot be proven. There is a large body of data to suggest that it is essentially correct. The same thing applies to the Navier-Stokes equations. $1M awaits anyone who can prove a solution exists. Regardless, the N-S equations have been shown to be accurate for a variety of applications. The body of evidence supporting anthropogenic warming is large and has withstood critical examination.

Then show the body of evidence ... peer-reviewed proof of how much man-made CO2 warmed the earth last year.