[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Just a guess that may not be correct.... Warming seas and air means more evaporation and more moisture in the air. More moisture means more precipitation. And of course, more precipitation in Alaska often means more snowfall.

Also when the temperature drops below 0°F for a few days in a row, you'll rarely see snow. In Alaska, it's pretty common to have 0-degree temps this time of year. The fact that it's snowing in record amounts means - it is WARM enough to snow, when normally it would not be.

[kansasr]

I'm sure your grandchildren are going to be really pleased with this attitude when they're trying to live in a world where our generation refused to see what we are doing to the planet.

[metalic]

The three stages of climate change denial:

1) claim that there is no climate change; when this gets untenable go to:
2) claim there is climate change but it's not caused by human activity; when this gets untenable go to:
3) claim that there is climate change, caused by human activity, but we can do nothing about it.

It is no coincidence that each of these "beliefs" let's the believer get off without having to do anything.

Other than continually referring to it as "global warming" so they can point to a bit of snow and go back to Stage 1.

The vast majority of scientists now accept that the average temperature of the Earth is rising.

Yes, the climate has always been in a state of change, but it is the RATE of the current change that is unprecedented, and clearly linked to the amount of greenhouse gases that humans have been pumping into the atmosphere since the start of industrialization. The current rate of change is so fast that nature can't keep up.

But nothing anyone says will convince the climate change deniers that they are wrong, as being wrong means they don't have to do anything different and can continue to live profligate, wasteful lives.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by metalic

The three stages of climate change denial:

1) claim that there is no climate change; when this gets untenable go to:
2) claim there is climate change but it's not caused by human activity; when this gets untenable go to:
3) claim that there is climate change, caused by human activity, but we can do nothing about it.

It is no coincidence that each of these "beliefs" let's the believer get off without having to do anything.

Other than continually referring to it as "global warming" so they can point to a bit of snow and go back to Stage 1.

Anyone with an ounce of intelligence now accepts that the average temperature of the Earth is rising.

Yes, the climate has always been in a state of change, but it is the RATE of the current change that is unprecedented, and clearly linked to the amount of greenhouse gases that humans have been pumping into the atmosphere since the start of industrialization. The current rate of change is so fast that nature can't keep up.

But nothing anyone says will convince the climate change deniers that they are wrong, as being wrong means they don't have to do anything different and can continue to live profligate, wasteful lives.

When the climate change alarmists voluntarily give up their air conditioning and cell phones to further the cause, I'll start paying attention.

[EastCoastDawg]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

When the climate change alarmists voluntarily give up their air conditioning and cell phones to further the cause, I'll start paying attention.

How will you know?

[asianthree]

Our oldest lived in Fairbanks for 8 years. He compares weather (living in a polluted city) and current weather in Fairbanks (still polluted), stays pretty consistent

Snowfall factor remains about the same, of how many feet, small difference in glaciers, each summer both volunteered at remote glaciers, tundra’s for testing. The big difference is moose behavior, and sacred Raven snatching a 30 pound black garbage bag, or trying for one of the dogs.

Wildlife life seems to be changing to more city life, than in the past 20 years. Easy picking for garbage and meat curing outside of back doors in community

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I consider myself an analytical and open minded person, but I have never seen a convincing argument either for or against global warming, climate change, or whatever you want to call it. The amount of snow in Alaska in one year doesn't even come close to convincing me of anything. And, a lot of people seem to have a personal agenda that makes it even harder to convince me of anything related to climate change.

I agree. But at times it seems more than a personal agenda...more like a religious tenet. And like fundamentalists of whatever stripe, the True Believers, whatever side they're on, will defend their stand to the death regardless of fact.

Me? I'm an agnostic when it comes to this issue. But I surely wouldn't mind a few palm trees and citrus orchards in Minnesota (southern part, at least).

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by metalic

The three stages of climate change denial:

1) claim that there is no climate change; when this gets untenable go to:
2) claim there is climate change but it's not caused by human activity; when this gets untenable go to:
3) claim that there is climate change, caused by human activity, but we can do nothing about it.

It is no coincidence that each of these "beliefs" let's the believer get off without having to do anything.

Other than continually referring to it as "global warming" so they can point to a bit of snow and go back to Stage 1.

The vast majority of scientists now accept that the average temperature of the Earth is rising.

Yes, the climate has always been in a state of change, but it is the RATE of the current change that is unprecedented, and clearly linked to the amount of greenhouse gases that humans have been pumping into the atmosphere since the start of industrialization. The current rate of change is so fast that nature can't keep up.

But nothing anyone says will convince the climate change deniers that they are wrong, as being wrong means they don't have to do anything different and can continue to live profligate, wasteful lives.

https://www.climate.gov/sites/defaul...wing-620px.png

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

https://www.climate.gov/sites/defaul...wing-620px.png

Notice that little line on the right that goes straight up? That is the rate of change that is being seen today that has not been seen in the recent past. There is one area 300 million years ago that might be similar but that was long enough ago that it can’t be called the recent past.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Notice that little line on the right that goes straight up? That is the rate of change that is being seen today that has not been seen in the recent past. There is one area 300 million years ago that might be similar but that was long enough ago that it can’t be called the recent past.

https://www.climate.gov/sites/defaul...118-1400px.png

This chart in hundred of degree so it look like we will burn in hail in couple years of actual almost 1 degree. You can find chart to backup your beliefs by pinpointing short look in time. IMO world over population and deforestation CAUSING ALL problems and will continue regardless unless we can control them.

[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by Randall55

It's early in the season, but Anchorage Alaska has already seen record breaking amounts of snowfall. Some areas, surrounding the city, accumulated two feet within two days. A snow emergency has been declared. Is El Niño the cause? Do you think the scientists who support the theory of global warming are staring at their monitors in disbelief? Strange thing, I did not see this reported on the news as often as this summer's record breaking heat. Any thoughts on why?

Weather is local and snow is more contingent on moisture than the temperature

[asianthree]

[QUOTE=blueash;2274012]Your son living in Alaska hardly qualifies you or him as an authority on climate change. If he hasn't noticed a change in Alaska's glaciers, he is not paying attention or hasn't been there long enough to know the 20th century baseline.

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If one read my post I commented on SNOWFALL hasn’t had much of a change. As has the core sample of glaciers. State of Alaska hires physicians with extensive forensic background to core test glaciers and tundra, which results have stayed consistent. The glaciers, and tundra, that he and his team were dropped off, have Never been seen by the standard visitor. It would be too dangerous to regular public, only way in is a chopper backpacks, equipment and every person has Two firearms. Every 30 days either they were picked up and moved to a different locations, or more supplies dropped.

However your thoughts on his inability means when Smithsonian published him 3 times at age 22, 24, 26, (still the youngest) the youngest published for core samples of natives of Alaska. Guessing that 6 figure salary every summer for 8 years meant they were pleased with his ability. I will admit since he was at the top of his class, and turned down numerous colleges, medical school bills were few and far between, so on that thought, maybe instead of medical, he should have thought of education in global warming, cause 8 years of six figures for 3.3 summer months of work is sometimes not worth risk of life or limb

Big difference in living in Alaskan culture for multiple years, and reading articles on the net. Plus you assume one that has educated experience to your ability to google stuff, is if lesser value.

In Alaskan territory climate change as stated is noticeable by change of behavior in moose, and ravens, since they are leaving the wild, and entering into populations of humans. Bear have always been active in communities, so climate change may or may not be an issue.

It’s also hard to determine if climate change effects the Nomadic culture, since they are continuously on the move, to search for food.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Why? They're not concerned that their own generation is living with dying coral beds, dying ecosystem, all caused by human intervention. They don't care that China has no more room for garbage imported from the USA, so we have to add more trash heaps to our own country, and Georgia doesn't have more room for ours.

They don't care that droughts and hurricanes and floods and unseasonable freezes in warm climates have caused foods of all types to go up in price. They don't care that there's a systematic push to raze land previously occupied by bees and butterflies for drilling and "the wall", which means less pollination, which means either more unhealthy fertilizers polluting our waters or entering our bloodstreams (or both).

The only thing they care about is which political party to blame it on. They accept zero responsibility for their own personal contribution to the problem and will reject the existence of the problem entirely, if it turns out "their side" is to blame.

Total dribble

[Rainger99]

If you want to talk real climate change, read this.

Siberian Traps - Wikipedia

The planet had two million years of volcanic eruptions. The Siberian Traps are believed to be the primary cause of the Permian–Triassic extinction event!

And the planet is still here!

“Experts” are saying we have only 10 years left to save the planet.

[Blackbird45]

Whomever coin the title global warming should be taken to the woodshed; it really is climate change.
I don't think at this point anyone can deny that the climate is changing. The question is, is this due to mankind or is this the earth going through a normal cycle.
I'm not a scientist and cannot answer that question. But what is obvious man is polluting air, land and water on the pursuit for profits.