[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Funny how they know that when you flip a light switch the light bulb will turn on. It's called Science. They actually have very accurate estimates of temperatures over the past few million years. They also have very accurate (not perfect) models that predict WHAT changes affect the climate. Sure they are not perfect, but every year they get better.

That is true. And that science tells us that 65 million years ago the earth was about 10 degrees warmer on average than it is today. So much for the media claiming this is "the warmest it has ever been". What a crock!!!

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Velvet

I remember last July in TV it is said it could have been the hottest July on record. It was my first summer in TV and like I do up north had late breakfast and at noon I started to hand weed in the full sun. My neighbor came over and laughed, he said, do you have to do that at the hottest part of the day? Then I noticed everyone else was gardening in the early morning. Lesson learned, one adapts.

Can it be the mindset?

I walk six miles a day (most days) and like doing it in the mid-afternoon. Fewer people and fewer carts to dodge on the MMP where I walk. I get offered lot of rides and bottles of water (which I always refuse, with thanks). I'm from the north too--just about as far north as you can be in the lower 48. I have absolutely no problem with the heat--actually love it. Beats the cold and the damp from UpNort that you can get even in the summer, and I don't miss having every joint feel like a rusty hinge as was all too often the case in Minnesota.

My wife thinks I'm crazy and she's from a tropical country herself.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

I blame it deforestation of the fly over States all for corn, wheat, and soybeans.

O, also population explosion.

I wouldn't call it deforestation, per se. More like wall-to-wall or field-to-field crops. And even crops right up to the highway. I was in Nebraska in the 1960s and there was a Federal program called Soil Bank which was designed to prevent the topsoil from blowing away as it did around 1929 partly causing the Great Depression. The Soil Bank idea was for the farmer to basically leave the harder-to-till parts of their land untouched like in gullies and near the roads. This allowed these parts of the farmer's land to remain in trees and heavy brush and thus hold the topsoil - it made for great areas for wildlife. The farmers got PAID to NOT plant these rough areas under the Soil Bank plan.
Nebraska in the 60s had large numbers of both whitetail and mule deer populations. it was not unusual to see as many as 20 or 30 pheasants crossing a highway back then. Today that has all changed. At some point, the Soil Bank was eliminated because people began to care less about the environment as factory farming took over and profits were the driving factor. The pheasant population dropped due to less bush cover and possibly the over-fertilization was bad for their eggs.
Incidentally, Nebraska has plenty of trees. It and Kansas are not all grasslands.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I wouldn't call it deforestation, per se. More like wall-to-wall or field-to-field crops. And even crops right up to the highway. I was in Nebraska in the 1960s and there was a Federal program called Soil Bank which was designed to prevent the topsoil from blowing away as it did around 1929 partly causing the Great Depression. The Soil Bank idea was for the farmer to basically leave the harder-to-till parts of their land untouched like in gullies and near the roads. This allowed these parts of the farmer's land to remain in trees and heavy brush and thus hold the topsoil - it made for great areas for wildlife. The farmers got PAID to NOT plant these rough areas under the Soil Bank plan.
Nebraska in the 60s had large numbers of both whitetail and mule deer populations. it was not unusual to see as many as 20 or 30 pheasants crossing a highway back then. Today that has all changed. At some point, the Soil Bank was eliminated because people began to care less about the environment as factory farming took over and profits were the driving factor. The pheasant population dropped due to less bush cover and possibly the over-fertilization was bad for their eggs.
Incidentally, Nebraska has plenty of trees. It and Kansas are not all grasslands.

"Incidentally, Nebraska has plenty of trees. It and Kansas are not all grasslands."

True. We get Email ads from Nebraska tourism touting the fishing and camping. Looks a lot like northern MN. But the reality is that the majority of the land is farmland.

As I understand it the dust bowl was really a confluence of events. I had relatives who farmed in a couple of the prairie states affected and recall them talking about it. Very little rain, super-hot temps, etc., but the major cause in the estimation of many was the switch from family to corporate farming, and the then-S.O.P. of the corporations to plow perfectly straight rows, up and over hills, through valleys, etc. over several sections of land at a time. It saved time (and I suppose labor costs) but what it DIDN'T do was impede the wind in any way. It blew straight down those rows, picking up dust as it went, until what happened was--well, the dust bowl. It wasn't until the advent of contour plowing, where the farmers plowed around the contours of the hills and valleys instead of arrow-straight rows that ran sometimes for miles, that things got better. There were other programs as well, as mentioned (soil bank). But it was no one thing that caused it--or ended it.

Hopefully we've gotten smarter.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Rwirish

Hot temps need to be reported and stressed to achieve a certain political objective.

Temperatures reported on the weather channel and other weather reports are the product of science, scientific measurement, and scientific records. So are measurements of glaciers and ocean rise. The weather channel often has pictures of glaciers taken in 1940 and compares them to today. These pictures do NOT lie and are not in the least influenced by social beliefs.
......The world's glaciers are melting!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

"Incidentally, Nebraska has plenty of trees. It and Kansas are not all grasslands."

True. We get Email ads from Nebraska tourism touting the fishing and camping. Looks a lot like northern MN. But the reality is that the majority of the land is farmland.

As I understand it the dust bowl was really a confluence of events. I had relatives who farmed in a couple of the prairie states affected and recall them talking about it. Very little rain, super-hot temps, etc., but the major cause in the estimation of many was the switch from family to corporate farming, and the then-S.O.P. of the corporations to plow perfectly straight rows, up and over hills, through valleys, etc. over several sections of land at a time. It saved time (and I suppose labor costs) but what it DIDN'T do was impede the wind in any way. It blew straight down those rows, picking up dust as it went, until what happened was--well, the dust bowl. It wasn't until the advent of contour plowing, where the farmers plowed around the contours of the hills and valleys instead of arrow-straight rows that ran sometimes for miles, that things got better. There were other programs as well, as mentioned (soil bank). But it was no one thing that caused it--or ended it.

Hopefully we've gotten smarter.

Yes, I agree. And when I was there, Nebraska was great for smallmouth bass fishing. There were many lakes, due to glaciers, that were good for fishing and swimming. I was much younger then, so heat and cold did not affect me as much as today.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I wouldn't call it deforestation, per se. More like wall-to-wall or field-to-field crops. And even crops right up to the highway. I was in Nebraska in the 1960s and there was a Federal program called Soil Bank which was designed to prevent the topsoil from blowing away as it did around 1929 partly causing the Great Depression. The Soil Bank idea was for the farmer to basically leave the harder-to-till parts of their land untouched like in gullies and near the roads. This allowed these parts of the farmer's land to remain in trees and heavy brush and thus hold the topsoil - it made for great areas for wildlife. The farmers got PAID to NOT plant these rough areas under the Soil Bank plan.
Nebraska in the 60s had large numbers of both whitetail and mule deer populations. it was not unusual to see as many as 20 or 30 pheasants crossing a highway back then. Today that has all changed. At some point, the Soil Bank was eliminated because people began to care less about the environment as factory farming took over and profits were the driving factor. The pheasant population dropped due to less bush cover and possibly the over-fertilization was bad for their eggs.
Incidentally, Nebraska has plenty of trees. It and Kansas are not all grasslands.

You might want take google earth trip across Illinois, Iowa, Missouri, Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, and many more. Only the area they can’t bulldozer has forest. I grew up in NW Missouri. There little timber left except along Missouri River loom hills where they haven’t figure out financially how to flatten plant row crops yet. wait couple more generations and even they will be gone.

The only areas along rivers are Boggs or swap where they can’t drain. IMO any tributary that flows water should of had 50 yard path on each bank to prevent erosion and habit for wild life. The program that allows land to go unplowed part of farm subsidies programs. Under farm subsidies they can also get paid planting or not. Some Hugh farms can draw close to million dollars in just subsidies. Couple farms out in western Kansas made news over years for amount of money they got from farm subsidies. But, with any federal government programs there waste and fraud.

As kid use to here pheasant and quail all time, now there about as rare as dodo bird IMO in area I grew up in

[PurePeach]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Yes, the ENTIRE world is in on the conspiracy. Seriously, you believe that?

. Yep.

[Michael G.]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Last time I checked, people generally like to be warm. Once people from up north reach retirement age they are buying up homes in places like Florida and Arizona as fast as they can build them. How many southerners are buying homes up north to be in a colder climate when they retire? And how about places like the YMCA’s and Fings in demand by their members/customers. Many of these places have steam rooms and/or saunas, but I have never seen a room members go into in order to get cold!

Great reply and true.........

[Ken D.]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

It helps your post to make sense if you let us in on who you are referring to.

If you were referring to me, that is absolutely wrong. I am open to discuss anything. But a driveway snarky post with nothing to back it up is not discussion.

In simple terms, we see your colors.

[Ken D.]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Good advice except for one point. Your body will NOT tell you that you are thirsty until it is too late. When you are out and it is hot you need to hydrate BEFORE your body telling you that you are thirsty.

Must have a medical background?

[Chi-Town]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

My grandpa wasn’t, late 60’s digging graves with hand shovel, mowing with push mower, and doing lots of odd jobs to scrape out living. We had box fan thought we were in heaven.
Majority older people are not working now. Maybe in our old age we have it too good?

Ah yes. The good old days.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

Ah yes. The good old days.

No, the poor old days. where if you made it pass 70 you was considered real old…

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by jbrown132

It’s the media!

LOL!! ikr, it's SUMMER everyone. it happens every year

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

That is true. And that science tells us that 65 million years ago the earth was about 10 degrees warmer on average than it is today. So much for the media claiming this is "the warmest it has ever been". What a crock!!!

thank you, oh Voice of Reason