Oh, and I forgot. That logic that was mentioned does not seem to me to be the "same". 2 cold days in Oct. do not seem the same as a TREND of the recent 8 year's record warming. And I believe that this year's June or July set a record for the US. Also, the Gulf water temperature was a record. The logic is NOT the same because my examples are indicative of trends and 2 cold days in Oct are merely data points. But they are interesting. And nice days to put a sweatshirt on.

OK...."data is gold" and I did not provide ANY DATA. That's intuitively true because I am NOT a PAID hurricane expert. I did provide 2 names of EXPERT researchers that have collected DATA about hurricanes and got paid to do so using satellite images from 1980. Just write to them and request their data.
......I did my best to answer your request!

All the decades from 1980. That would be 3 decades. I am not interested enough to write to those 2 experts. I have formed my opinion on Climate Change already. It is based on watching TV and reading articles going all the way back to Al Gore. Just general societal knowledge that I have ABSORBED through the years. .......from things like the reef coral dying. From the fact that animal populations are dropping (and human populations are increasing) From the fact that farmers from South America are traveling north to the US because their crops won't grow. The same northward migration is happening in Europe. From the fires due to excess heat in the US west. From flooding news from Pakistan.
From the fact that factory farms have eliminated the large numbers of pheasants that used to be in Nebraska.

The news is all around us and environmentally it is NOT good. I really don't need any more GRAPHS to tell me what is intuitively obvious TO ME anyway!

Guess what?----The last 8 years is not a TREND of the last 4 million years. That's why I picked that ridiculous analogy in the first place

Sorry.....BFRO meets at that time. We have free beer!:beer3:

Showing you any data that does not support your exact assertion would be denied as true and you would brand it propaganda. So it is a waste of time and energy to provide you with anything you don't want to hear.

Every trend begins with a single event.

I think that you could find the research, if you really want it.

Holding up 2 days of local weather out of 8 years of global average temperatures as a of trying to add credence to your position is ingenuous and, imo, like a verbal shell game. Chicanery.

But not even a tiny bit as bad as oil fields, refineries, coal mines and coal and oil fired factories and power plants. Be honest. Almost anything humans do, even putting a blanket down for a picnic, negatively impacts habitat, albeit in a miniscule way. You point at the solar and wind to divert the eye from the far, far greater damages by coal and oil.

sort of like holding out 8 years as a reflection of the last 4 million?????

Admitting to a "ridiculous analogy" about the general topic of Climate Change..........somehow gave me a good laugh. I thought it was ridiculous, but it was creative. Kudos!

Yes, nice to see that some people have their priorities straight.

Many people do NOT want to admit that the Climate Change going on today exists or is man-made. It pulls them out of their comfort zone. I try, but I don't know how to reach them. I think that it is worth trying because it is a factor that is lowering the quality of life for people throughout the planet. Just as one and only one example........when a living coral reef dies there is less beauty available to see in the world and less eco-function.

"a verbal shell game" ........well played.......touche!

All of the back and forth as to whether there is human caused climate changes or not has been discussed here and changes nothing. What I would prefer to know is whether those who truly believe we cause the weather to change have done anything significant such that you can demonstrate you are doing your part to change the trend. Tell us what great changes you have made to your life that truly makes a difference. Solar panels on your home, EV's charged by energy source such as solar, wind, tide or wind. Biking and walking instead of energy consuming transportation. Avoiding air transport, growing your own food without fertilizers, eating no meat.

Or are you just like the rest of us? Plug into the grid, heat and cool your house, power to keep your pool usable, air transport to your cruise port. Wash and dry your clothes in machines powered by gas or electric. And heaven forbid, us a powered golf cart and have your lawn mowed by gas powered equipment.

Great post! I wouldn't single out anyone on TOTV, but I suspect most of them worldwide follow the example of utilizing gas guzzling private jets and yachts set by their leader, Leonardo DiCaprio, UN global ambassador for climate change:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

You see, this whole myth and culture of climate change leads to modern convenience for the Hollywierd crowd and bicoastal elites while relegating the rest of us to the 17th century. The classic "do as I say, not as I do"

Actually that would be four decades: the 1980s, the 1990s, the 2000s, and the 2010s. which would mean, if the research quoted was accurate, that hurricanes in 1980 were 32% less severe than hurricanes in 2020.

I did quite a bit of clicking around this morning to see if I could find evidence to support or refute the theory that there was that much variation in hurricane severity over the years, but the data I could find was all over the map. Interestingly enough the "severity" of hurricanes are measured in one of two ways; wind speed or barometric pressure, and depending on the method the list of "severe" storms can be quite different. Some people attempt to categorize hurricanes according to damage and/or deaths, but that is sophistic. For instance, the deadliest Atlantic hurricane on record was the "Great Hurricane" (Huracán San Calixto) killed over 22,000 people (some estimates of close to 30,000) but that was back in 1780! No data about wind speed of that storm is available, only estimates, though it is believed to have been a category 5. It should be noted as well that Huracán San Calixto struck the Antilles (Hispaniola, St. Kitts, Nevis, several other islands) which were agrarian cultures, growing mainly sugar cane, and as I assume slaves were counted as property, not people, the toll could have been far higher than reported.

Interestingly enough, 1780 is still the deadliest hurricane year on record, though I'll bet the farm that many people believe it was actually 2005 and Katrina.

Another fly in this particular ointment is that the old data records probably only the hurricanes that made landfall, and many don't, so it is quite possible that in years like 1780 there were quite a few more storms than were reported. Today we track every tropical depression using a variety of methods and get hour-by-hour updates, but 200 years ago those methods didn't exist.

Bottom line: we can choose whatever we want to believe and can find statistics to support it. But, as Mark Twain once observed, there are three kinds of untruths, "lies, damned lies, and statistics".

Perhaps that is because those that scream wolf have not produced evidence of the wolf. And since that will elicit a response that the person that cried wolf eventually met up with a wolf, I will put it this way: YOU have not produced ANY evidence that humans have caused climate change. So, since the climate has changed from good to bad and back to good and then bad again, and since it is a cycle that is never consistent other than the seasons created by the rotation of the Earth around the SUN, no one has given me any REAL evidence that mankind has been powerful enough to change the climate. Like I said before and reiterate, I believe in man caused air pollution to a certain extent. I also believe that nature naturally effects the air pollution too.
I believe that oil is in the Earth for a specific reason, to provide us with fuel for energy. I believe that animals (some) are good to eat and therefore are on earth as a food source. Of course, I believe in creation but I won't start that argument.
AND I believe that the concept of "man caused climate change" is a gigantic joke perpetrated by sophisticated grifters to Con gullible folks out of their money. That's my opinion, which I might add is just as valid as those that believe that man can change the seasons and make the world either warmer or colder.
Question: if man can change the climate, what temperature should we set the climate thermostat at? I like an average of 75 degrees year round with a few 90 days for water skying and diving. Can we concur with that?

Yeah! Kind like that. If a graph shows only a steep increase it is not as meaningful as extending the graph to show where the steeper incline began. Then, by examining what was happening at the point of increase, the reason(s) for said increase may be determined. In the case of climate change it begins at the beginning of the industrial revolution and population explosion.
Hmm! Do you think it possible that might have something to do with it? 😉

Yeah, right.

We all know that climate was 100% constant prior to that. Never wavered in the slightest. Every year/decade/century/ millenium was exactly the same as every other.

Give me a break.

I agree with you. Just understand that many people are so deeply dug onto their foxhole that they can never come out. Also, remember that you will not change their minds. They have to accept the truth on their own. Keep the debate friendly and respectful. You can catch more flies with honey, is a wise old adage and applicable in most cases. After all, we are all friends here.

OK, I can respond to that challenge, That is a reasonable question. I eat VERY little red meat. I have an electric lawnmower and bicycle. I avoid air travel and large cruise ships would bore me and waste my money. I drive a small gas car. My next car, if I live long enough, will be an E-car. I plant many hedges and trees in my yard because they produce more oxygen than plain grass and require zero fertilizer. Before the pandemic, we had a summer home in Tn. with 2 acres on which we grew apples, peaches, and vegetables, including corn, and also blackberries. I buy recycled clothes from goodwill and garage sales. I drink soy milk. I would NEVER, NEVER waste money on a private pool when the neighborhood pool is close and has some interesting characters there. I do NOT play GOLF because it is very little exercise and a lot of wasted time - also the plain grass there releases MUCH, MUCH less oxygen than the trees they cut down for a golf course. Also, a golf course has a lot of fertilizer runoff which destabilizes the surrounding lakes and , of course, wastes water. And all the non-electric golf carts are without smog control devices as good as modern automobiles so the pollution factor is high.
.........Thanks for the question and challenge. I hope others take that challenge also.

No need to be sarcastic. We all know that the earths climate has gone thru a lot of changes since it formed. The current question is, has man-made destruction of habitats and man-made pollution exacerbated/increased the rate of rise of the average global temperature? I say it has. I am guessing you don't agree.

Personally, I use as much gasoline as I need. I bought a new gas fueled car this year as it gets as much mileage as a friend's brand new hybrid. But that is not the reason. I just like gasoline fueled vehicles better than EVs right now. Maybe my opinion will change later, if I live long enough. I have an EV golf cart that I never use. I have a motorcycle that I do not use to conserve on fuel, but just for the pure enjoyment of riding, not going anywhere, just riding. I use battery powered tools rather than fossil powered because I do not like the smell of fuel in my garage. I do not fly because I have flown all over the world and it is now, no longer comfortable for me to fly. I have been to many countries with way more pollution than ours. I have spent winters in countries where you could not see the tops of buildings due to the fuel they used to heat their homes. Gotta love the smell of burning manure in the winter.
I am NOT concerned about climate change as I know it has ALWAYS changed and will continue to do so whether or not man intervenes. I care a little bit about air pollution, but the air quality has improved since I was a child, so it is a minor issue or possibly a fleeting thought.
I am more concerned about inflation than I am about the great new green deal. Although, I do care about all the taxpayer money wasted on it. I care about the rising oil price and the rising cost of living (inflation) and hope that someone gets their act together before they ruin too many lives. But, I do not care about the changing climate. I do not worry about hurricanes since the only thing you can do is get out of their way. I've lived through hurricanes, tornadoes and typhoons, as well as many, many earthquakes. When it is my time to go, I know where I will go in my afterlife so I am not even concerned about that.
My only concern for the next generation is whether or not they will enjoy the freedom and liberty my generation has been blessed with.
But, like I said earlier if you all figure out how man can change the climate....please change it for an average temp of 75 degrees with a few 90 degree days for water activity.

You are correct about the 4 decades. My bad, I will try harder in the future. Impressive that your post was so well-researched. As to the conclusion that basically anybody can find support for anything that they believe. Yes, I guess that is true. It is said that as people age their belief systems harden like their arteries. So, here in the Villages, it is hard to find open-minded discussions. I remember a few philosophy club meetings that I attended. It was a waste because one very closed-minded belligerent man would dominate the group discussions. I imagine that the Village weather and climate club has some rowdy exchanges. I can only imagine because I have never attended that club.

I guess each person has to make up their mind about how they feel about climate change, recent Global Warming, and whether hurricanes are increasing in intensity. For any family living in the coastal areas of Florida, it becomes a practical and NOT academic decision - they must decide IF they rebuild their destroyed homes and can they afford to rebuild to the newer housing standards (stilt basements). And Florida may eventually decide to set a no-building limit some certain distance from the water line - depending on if there are more KILLER hurricanes like IAN for the next 10 years.

So, here in north central Florida, the Villagers can be more academic about warming and intensifying hurricanes. The hurricane threat is not quite as real as someone living on the coast. I will just conclude by saying that we will likely know who is correct about Global Warming and hurricanes within the next 10 years. So. just buckle up and be aware!

Mankind’s activity does effect climate. The big issue I have is with the argument that humans are solely responsible for…or even a MAJOR contributor to…climate change. Not even close.

We certainly are not solely responsible for climate change. And, as continuing study and discussion of the findings are known, the exact amount of effect will certainly be recalculated and stats revised. But, you might be familiar with the phrase, "the straw that broke the camel's back". Our growing population has been adding a lot of straws, particularly in the latter years. We have overloaded the camel far beyond normal load rate and the camel is suffering greatly. We better slow down before that last critical straw goes on or ....?

Just did a simple google of ......coral on the Great Barrier Reef. That reef has LOST 50% of its coral since 1995. This was an NPR report. It is expected to have a 90% LOSS in 75 years. And YES I consider NPR to be a legitimate source of information. If someone else does not like NPR then that is on them!

Exactly and this is why if you read between the lines the elites want us, peasants, dead and they will do it systematically.

So, in other words, it's my news source or the highway?????

I also didn't realize NPR did original research----or were they just reporting on a paper by yet another climate change flunky?????

Where is the guy who always shows us how many people post in certain threads?

I guess he only does that in threads where he doesn't like the replies...

If we can get enough people to pay for my trip, I will volunteer to go to the great barrier reef and do my own research into its status.

I do expect to go there in the status I want to become accustomed to in my own private jet with all the accouterments.

Actually, in this case, I would NOT be wrong. Either NPR is RIGHT and the other study is wrong. Or visa versa. Either way, I am just the messenger and we all know NOT to shoot the messenger.

As I said, I consider NPR to be at the top of the news pyramid. Others can disagree if they must.

Doesn't address the question of NPR doing research, which we all know they don't
So once again, sounds like reporting on the work of another climate change advocate

If the Great Barrier Reef has been there for millions of years and is so big that it can be seen from space (over 70 million football fields in length), exactly how long will it take for mankind to destroy it by using ICE vehicles and smoking cigars? Just a question for the climate change experts on here.

Some of us think it is ok to shoot the messenger especially if you do not trust their message

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