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https://towardsdatascience.com/hypot...w-8c36ddde4cd2

The data really depends on your hypotheses. Or in computer parlance-- Garbage in, garbage out.
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https://towardsdatascience.com/hypot...w-8c36ddde4cd2

The data really depends on your hypotheses. Or in computer parlance-- Garbage in, garbage out.
The data determines if a theory is right or wrong. Richard Feynman says it nicely in 60 seconds ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIxvQMhttq4
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And all the damage to peoples property is the only concern. What’s to debate!
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And all the damage to peoples property is the only concern. What’s to debate!
What's to debate? There's no debate -- but there are consequences -- depending on which groups you hang out with. Just Google "landfalling hurricanes" (with quotes) and you get 30,000 hits. Landfalling hurricanes are one of many trigger-points for children who throw paint on artwork and stand in the middle of roads to stop traffic and stand on blocks of ice on makeshift gallows to protest a non-problem -- called global warming. So now, officially, there is one more landfall hurricane -- but it is another in a long list of junk-science statistics -- Nicole did not hit Florida as a hurricane. In fact, there are many who don't even think Nicole ever attained hurricane strength to begin with -- because there is no validated supporting evidence -- unless you can find some. People and offices and media can say anything -- but when you ask them to provide supporting data, they change the subject, or call you a denier. And this is why the Weather Club keeps growing in size because they want to see the "data," so can see for themselves what is going on. You don't need to be a scientist to read temperature and wind data.
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What's to debate? There's no debate -- but there are consequences -- depending on which groups you hang out with. Just Google "landfalling hurricanes" (with quotes) and you get 30,000 hits. Landfalling hurricanes are one of many trigger-points for children who throw paint on artwork and stand in the middle of roads to stop traffic and stand on blocks of ice on makeshift gallows to protest a non-problem -- called global warming. So now, officially, there is one more landfall hurricane -- but it is another in a long list of junk-science statistics -- Nicole did not hit Florida as a hurricane. In fact, there are many who don't even think Nicole ever attained hurricane strength to begin with -- because there is no validated supporting evidence -- unless you can find some. People and offices and media can say anything -- but when you ask them to provide supporting data, they change the subject, or call you a denier. And this is why the Weather Club keeps growing in size because they want to see the "data," so can see for themselves what is going on. You don't need to be a scientist to read temperature and wind data.
Where can I find the validated supporting evidence that Ian was a hurricane? That might be a good place to start looking for the Nicole evidence.

Alternately, where is the validated supporting evidence that Nicole was not a hurricane? Surely there must be data to show the wind speed was under hurricane rating throughout the entire life of the storm.
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Where can I find the validated supporting evidence that Ian was a hurricane? That might be a good place to start looking for the Nicole evidence.

Alternately, where is the validated supporting evidence that Nicole was not a hurricane? Surely there must be data to show the wind speed was under hurricane rating throughout the entire life of the storm.
For Ian, or any storm, just go to the WeatherUnderground" and see the historic wind data for the location where the storm made landfall -- that is the easiest starting point. From there, you go the National Hurricane Center website, and then look into the actual aircraft recon data.

Regarding whether a storm was a hurricane or not, it's just a matter of using available data. For times and locations with no data, you are welcome to theorize all you want, but unless you are seasoned professional with accomplished experience in that field, your opinions will not go very far. But as for me, I'm just a data guy. Like my dad would always say, where's the beef. Anyway, enjoy tomorrow's global warming -- but it's just a 7-year trend -- going on 8.
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I suppose to the real weather geeks this parsing of words has value. For the folks in Wilbur-by-the-Sea, whose homes wound up as flotsam in the Atlantic, the distinction is likely pointless.
Parsing of words is not important. What is important is why people continue to build on sandbars, in flood plains, next to volcanoes, fault zones, etc. Public education is failing society.
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For Ian, or any storm, just go to the WeatherUnderground" and see the historic wind data for the location where the storm made landfall -- that is the easiest starting point. From there, you go the National Hurricane Center website, and then look into the actual aircraft recon data.

Regarding whether a storm was a hurricane or not, it's just a matter of using available data. For times and locations with no data, you are welcome to theorize all you want, but unless you are seasoned professional with accomplished experience in that field, your opinions will not go very far. But as for me, I'm just a data guy. Like my dad would always say, where's the beef. Anyway, enjoy tomorrow's global warming -- but it's just a 7-year trend -- going on 8.
?? The data shows a four year warming trend -- going on five
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?? The data shows a four year warming trend -- going on five
Here is a graph of global surface (NOAA) temperature and satellite (UAH) temperature -- as compared to CO2. When you draw a linear trend line, the surface and satellite temperature shows slight cooling. Year 2022 continues the linear trend downward.
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Why are you worried about more CO2? It is plant food, and it helps keep the earth warm. Each time over the past several thousand years, the climate has been warmer than today, and they are called the climatic optimums, because those were the times when civilizations thrived, while during the intermediate cooling periods, there was famine and depopulation -- like during the Little Ice Age.
Yes, I agree that the excess CO2 that we have today is making the earth warmer. THAT is NOT a GOOD thing! It is a VERY bad thing. because of TODAY'S global warming, farmers in South America are migrating north to the US and adding to population pressure...........because we are the number 2 polluter in the world. That will make more pollution going to the upper atmosphere and thus more HEATING of the earth. The US may end up in a Climate Heating feedback loop (like a tightening vise) that we can't extract ourselves from. it is a bad situation for the US and a bad situation for the migrants.

Meanwhile, poor farmers and goat herders of central Africa are TODAY migrating toward Europe. Again, bad for the migrating people and BAD for Europe.

Please don't tell me that EXCESS CO2 is good for either the land or the oceans. I know better. I know a TRAIN WRECK when I see one developing.
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Parsing of words is not important. What is important is why people continue to build on sandbars, in flood plains, next to volcanoes, fault zones, etc. Public education is failing society.
That's true about public education. I would add that it is foolish to build on the ocean shoreline since the glaciers are melting and the oceans are rising. In 20 or 30 years Miami will be flooded at high tide. People will be swimming in the Miami Dolphins' football field.
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Here is a graph of global surface (NOAA) temperature and satellite (UAH) temperature -- as compared to CO2. When you draw a linear trend line, the surface and satellite temperature shows slight cooling. Year 2022 continues the linear trend downward.
If you start from 2018 and include 2022 data there is a slight warming trend.

If you start at any year from 2010 to 2014 there is a significant warming trend. (I got tired of checking after that)
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That's true about public education. I would add that it is foolish to build on the ocean shoreline since the glaciers are melting and the oceans are rising. In 20 or 30 years Miami will be flooded at high tide. People will be swimming in the Miami Dolphins' football field.
No worrie! Dolphins are great swimmers. 🐬🐬
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