[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

The Science of Climate Change | The world is warming | Wisconsin DNR.

Will Wisconsin look like the temps of the FL of 2023 in 2123?

It might. But IF it does, it will have nothing to do with your SUV

[collie1228]

If you are looking for "truth" in "the narrative" put forth by the climate people, you may find yourself on a fool's errand. There is so much misinformation on both sides, that the truth is probably impossible to know.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

It might. But IF it does, it will have nothing to do with your SUV

Beg to differ. Not much with my carbon footprint but a whole lot say with the cars in Los Angeles every day. Or NYC.

Climate change and Minnesota | Minnesota DNR

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Scientific Consensus | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

I fail to see the arguments put out by some people on Talk of the Villages. If the earth is on a cycle we will all be dead by the end of it. I mean humans and a 100,000 year cycle. Global warming will have killed us.

We are going to hell in a handbasket and should be doing everything in our power to stop it. Cycle or not.

"The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" Spend, spend, spend trillions to stop it!

That said I am all for maintaining a clean environment which would require worldwide cooperation. Any meaningful atmospheric cleanup would need to start with China. Good luck with that! The deforestation of the Amazon rainforest has been a huge factor so that needs to be reversed as well to get more oxygen back in the atmosphere. Also getting the plastic islands out of the oceans and cleaning them up is important.

Of course there is nothing we can do about changes in the earth's orbit around the sun, the temperature of the sun and the earth's perturbations. Perturbations of the Earth's rotation and their implications for the present-day mass balance of both polar ice caps | Geophysical Journal International | Oxford Academic

I think a stray large asteroid colliding with earth is more likely to end humankind than global warming.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Beg to differ. Not much with my carbon footprint but a whole lot say with the cars in Los Angeles every day. Or NYC.

"Carbon footprint" is a joke, promulgated by those with a climate change agenda that would most likely profit them.. First of all, CO2 is not the primary greenhouse gas on Earth, water vapor holds that distinction. Secondly, ice core records show that the current level of CO2 in our atmosphere is at a relatively low level compared to the past several million years.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by collie1228

If you are looking for "truth" in "the narrative" put forth by the climate people, you may find yourself on a fool's errand. There is so much misinformation on both sides, that the truth is probably impossible to know.

I do not see two sides of this. There is the global warming threat which may make this world uninhabitable in six generations or so. 180 years.

UN IPCC report: 'Parts of the planet will become uninhabitable'

[Keefelane66]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Wrong. Look at the volume of air in a house as compared to the outdoors. This is exactly the principle upon which heat pumps work. You cannot create more heat by exchanging it---simple thermodynamic principle. the only added heat comes from the inefficiency of the unit and the power that is used

HotSpot reclaims the heat that you normally throw away. It connects to the hottest point in your air conditioner system, the hot gas circuit between the compressor and condenser where temperatures up to 200 ºF exist. The HotSpot captures excess heat and puts it into the water through a special heat exchanger.
It’s attached a a/c condenser heating water in domestic water heater to 120° during a/c operation eliminating need for electric coil to operate.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by collie1228

If you are looking for "truth" in "the narrative" put forth by the climate people, you may find yourself on a fool's errand. There is so much misinformation on both sides, that the truth is probably impossible to know.

Actually, I don't think anyone knows "the truth". We roughly know what the past 4 million years has been. But the future????

Yes, we are pumping large amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere, but the question remains of whether that will cause a catastrophic shift in our climate or is just a drop in the bucket of climate change forces that are far more powerful than your SUV.

We simply don't have enough data for a long enough timespan to draw definitive conclusions one way or the other. Yes, both sides have presented pretty graphs derived from cherry picked data, but they MEAN NOTHING. Seven years of a cooling trend or 150 years of burning fossil fuels is irrelevant when trying to predict the future of a climate that has been cyclically alternating between periods of glaciation and interglacial thaws and driven by the power of the sun, Earth's orbit and axis changes.

I don't know the answer, but I'm pretty sure there is an agenda at work here. The "science" that the climate change advocates cite is given to us by climatologists who are almost universally owned by the government or the universities. Search other climate change threads. One poster has a son, a climatologist at a university, who challenged the global warming narrative---read what happened to him. The powers that be, through government grants, university tenure, and control of publications essentially have a gun held to the professional life of most climatologists. And I think it is obvious that the media is all too happy to push this narrative as well. There was a bad guy, about 85 years ago who said "the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it". It was one of the few things he had right.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I do not see two sides of this. There is the global warming threat which may make this world uninhabitable in six generations or so. 180 years.

UN IPCC report: 'Parts of the planet will become uninhabitable'

Tal---you're a really smart guy---how can you possibly buy into this. "Make the World uninhabitable in six generations"????? You're joking, or playing devil's advocate, right????

The headline states "'Parts of the planet will become uninhabitable"---Parts of the world ARE uninhabitable----always have been, nothing new there. This planet has been "habitable" for over 4 BILLION years. Life here has survived massive volcanic eruptions, catastrophic geological shifts and collisions with asteroids and comets. Yet in 180 years SUV's will make the planet "unhabitable"? Like I said, nobody should actually believe that nonsense.

[rustyp]

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I do not see two sides of this. There is the global warming threat which may make this world uninhabitable in six generations or so. 180 years.

UN IPCC report: 'Parts of the planet will become uninhabitable'

They have been saying that for over a hundred years. At what point do they concede that they just don't know what the future holds regarding the climate? And if man can't survive, why do we care now? 180 years from now, my dead body won't care. In a 180 years, man will likely be polluting Mars atmosphere. Besides, an asteroid is due to collide with earth in the next five years. Be careful out there because you might get beaned on the head by a golf ball or run down by a electric assisted bicycle. Or, maybe someone will create another COVID virus to kill off the old folks.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Whitley

I never heard the expression of a steeple in fox clothing. Is that a new one? I find it difficult to imagine a steeple in clothes. I also can not think of what clothes a fox wears.

Dear friend, "steeple" was my auto-correct doing what it likes to do, changing what I typed to something else when I send it. I often see typos and usually manage to understand what the contributor intended. And, I also never heard that expression either. Hope you got a laugh out of it.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Dear friend, "steeple" was my auto-correct doing what it likes to do, changing what I typed to something else when I send it. I often see typos and usually manage to understand what the contributor intended. And, I also never heard that expression either. Hope you got a laugh out of it.

Some folks fat finger their keyboards and blame it on spell check, also.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Some folks fat finger their keyboards and blame it on spell check, also.

That's OK, I'm still trying to figure out how "A steeple in fox clothing" could be spell corrected, misspelled, or "fat fingered" for the age-old adage "A wolf in sheep's clothing"

[Taltarzac725]

Ocean Warming - Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution

I have respect for science which is usually people trying to get to the facts not avoid, change or cover them up.