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Originally Posted by Blueblaze

My son-in-law is an Ag scientist at Missouri U. He once merely expressed skepticism about man-made global warming during water-cooler talk. It effectively ended his career. He was not offered tenure when he became eligible, which is the same as being fired in our corrupt university system.

But he was such a beloved teacher that his students protested and started a letter writing campaign that saved his job. The University agreed to allow him to continue his research (worth millions in grant money), on the condition that he add a freshman biology class to his schedule. Five years later, he still doesn't have tenure, so he'll never be able to move to a different university (Texas A&M and Florida once pursued him relentlessly). But he has wised up since then. He dutifully drunk the koolaid and is now a fierce proponent of global warming and whatever else he's told to think. So is my daughter. They've become so afraid to expose their kids to the common sense they were raised on that we're lucky if they let us see our grandkids once a year.

Yes. This is the evil that demands compliance and does not allow question. This is called tyranny. It started with the illegitimate demonization of CO2 ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYhfrgRAbH4

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Blueblaze

My son-in-law is an Ag scientist at Missouri U. He once merely expressed skepticism about man-made global warming during water-cooler talk. It effectively ended his career. He was not offered tenure when he became eligible, which is the same as being fired in our corrupt university system.

But he was such a beloved teacher that his students protested and started a letter writing campaign that saved his job. The University agreed to allow him to continue his research (worth millions in grant money), on the condition that he add a freshman biology class to his schedule. Five years later, he still doesn't have tenure, so he'll never be able to move to a different university (Texas A&M and Florida once pursued him relentlessly). But he has wised up since then. He dutifully drunk the koolaid and is now a fierce proponent of global warming and whatever else he's told to think. So is my daughter. They've become so afraid to expose their kids to the common sense they were raised on that we're lucky if they let us see our grandkids once a year.

Exactly the point I've posted time and again when challenged with "90% of climate scientists believe global warming is man-made". It's a foregone conclusion.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Blueblaze

My son-in-law is an Ag scientist at Missouri U. He once merely expressed skepticism about man-made global warming during water-cooler talk. It effectively ended his career. He was not offered tenure when he became eligible, which is the same as being fired

Very understandable. He was talking like a priest who is arguing that the whole God and Jesus thing is a hoax. It is a wonder they kept him on.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Very understandable. He was talking like a priest who is arguing that the whole God and Jesus thing is a hoax. It is a wonder they kept him on.

Because he spoke the truth and deep down the climate change charlatans knew it.

[Blueblaze]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Very understandable. He was talking like a priest who is arguing that the whole God and Jesus thing is a hoax. It is a wonder they kept him on.

No, he mistakenly believed he was a scientist who was supposed to be searching for truth with a skeptic mind.

NOW he's a priest, and very careful to rub the blue mud into his navel in the correct counter-clockwise motion, as instructed by his gods in Administration.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Blueblaze

No, he mistakenly believed he was a scientist who was supposed to be searching for truth with a skeptic mind.

NOW he's a priest, and very careful to rub the blue mud into his navel in the correct counter-clockwise motion, as instructed by his gods in Administration.

You missed my point. He had a decision to make. Stand up for his belief and find other work that he can feel good about, or worry about his precious job and tenure and sellout and live the life of a coward. He sold out. He kept his job, but still doesn't have his precious tenure and has probably missed a promotion or two.
Or ..... doing further study, he realized he had been wrong and with newer, more compete and more accurate information actually change his opinion.

[MorTech]

Earth climate is totally determined by cosmic ray activity...Atmospheric CO2 and H2O concentrations are a *RESULT*.

Amazing that the political terrorists can get their Dunning-Kreuger masses to believe that human activity can change the climate...It's like getting adults to believe in Santa Claus.

Carl Sagan was corrupt..Just like every "scientist" you see on the idiot box. You cannot get famous unless you are corrupt and push the political narrative.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

You missed my point. He had a decision to make. Stand up for his belief and find other work that he can feel good about, or worry about his precious job and tenure and sellout and live the life of a coward. He sold out. He kept his job, but still doesn't have his precious tenure and has probably missed a promotion or two.
Or ..... doing further study, he realized he had been wrong and with newer, more compete and more accurate information actually change his opinion.

I doubt he would have changed from being 100% correct to totally wrong based on "further study". On the other hand, his survival instincts forced him, and most other scientists to spout out the party line of lies.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I doubt he would have changed from being 100% correct to totally wrong based on "further study". On the other hand, his survival instincts forced him, and most other scientists to spout out the party line of lies.

More like facts as far as the current science on the subject can tell.

The global warming deniers are poor scientists for the most part just pushing junk science based on poor supposition and conjectures.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by Jim1mack

One thing that is never mentioned is Presession. Earth's wobble. It is not always inclined 23.5 degrees from the solar plain. It’s wobble is cyclical. See Milankovitch Cycles.

This is the best estimate of long term, invisible reasons for the earth to change slowly over long periods of time, . .

There are a bunch of different wobbles, just like a lot of angles in a golf swing with ball contact. . .

good luck to us

[Blueblaze]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

You missed my point. He had a decision to make. Stand up for his belief and find other work that he can feel good about, or worry about his precious job and tenure and sellout and live the life of a coward. He sold out. He kept his job, but still doesn't have his precious tenure and has probably missed a promotion or two.
Or ..... doing further study, he realized he had been wrong and with newer, more compete and more accurate information actually change his opinion.

Your point was crystal clear. Yes he did sell out. Just like so many of us did, over and over, during a 40 year fortune-500 career. We keep our mouths shut and learn to rub the blue mud as instructed by HR, because we have the mouths of future mud rubbers at home to feed. And the universal stifling of free speech has resulted in the nation of blue mud rubbers you see circling the drain today.

I'm surprised this conversation hasn't already attracted the eye of TOV's own blue mud enforcers.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

More like facts as far as the current science on the subject can tell.

The global warming deniers are poor scientists for the most part just pushing junk science based on poor supposition and conjectures.

Love you Tal for these many years, but you’re on the wrong side of this one. We’ve been going through 60-100,000 year warming and cooling cycles for the last 4 million years. Your SUV has nothing to do with it

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Love you Tal for these many years, but you’re on the wrong side of this one. We’ve been going through 60-100,000 year warming and cooling cycles for the last 4 million years. Your SUV has nothing to do with it

So say you and the other deniers. The science seems to say otherwise though you have a conspiracy for that as well.

At the very least, the question of whether man has influenced the climate is undecided. There is a very strong correlation between burning of fossil fuels and an increased rate of warming. Correlation does not prove causation but it is foolish to ignore the correlation and ignorant to deny it.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Love you Tal for these many years, but you’re on the wrong side of this one. We’ve been going through 60-100,000 year warming and cooling cycles for the last 4 million years. Your SUV has nothing to do with it

Maybe. But pollution put out by people probably skewed the cycle a great deal. Ever been to Denver, Reno, Los Angeles on a smoggy day? Smog Day - smogday

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

More like facts as far as the current science on the subject can tell.

The global warming deniers are poor scientists for the most part just pushing junk science based on poor supposition and conjectures.

Don't forget that the deniers are the ones that are spouting (or bleating) the party line.