[sounding]

Find out why Jan 13 at 10 AM at the Savannah for a talk called "Florida Weather 101" for the Civil Discourse Club.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by sounding

Find out why Jan 13 at 10 AM at the Savannah for a talk called "Florida Weather 101" for the Civil Discourse Club.

Santa Ana winds aren't "caused by" climate change. This weather phenomena has been part of the ecosystem for at least the last 5000 years.

What's "caused by" climate change is the increased range, severity, and frequency. But this wind pattern is not new, and dates back to the Bronze Age.

[Topspinmo]

I agree the wind got up do to upper level pressure changes which as we know is climate? So when high pressure move out and low pressure move in along jet steam the climate changing.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Santa Ana winds aren't "caused by" climate change. This weather phenomena has been part of the ecosystem for at least the last 5000 years.

What's "caused by" climate change is the increased range, severity, and frequency. But this wind pattern is not new, and dates back to the Bronze Age.

Correct, these winds have been around forever and are global in nature. In the Santa Ana case, the more the "cold" air piles up east of the Rockies, the more likely these winds will occur. In other words, these winds are more likely during periods of global cooling than global warming.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by sounding

Correct, these winds have been around forever and are global in nature. In the Santa Ana case, the more the "cold" air piles up east of the Rockies, the more likely these winds will occur. In other words, these winds are more likely during periods of global cooling than global warming.

I wish a real climate expert would come on here.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I wish a real climate expert would come on here.

You rang

[fdpaq0580]

Attempt to drum up attendance for a "let me tell you" meeting. Have fun.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

You rang

Not the one I am expecting.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

Not the one I am expecting.

This is TOTV. We all know everything about everything, even if we don't agree. 😉

[shut the front door]

Originally Posted by sounding

Correct, these winds have been around forever and are global in nature. In the Santa Ana case, the more the "cold" air piles up east of the Rockies, the more likely these winds will occur. In other words, these winds are more likely during periods of global cooling than global warming.

Bingo. Way to silence the sky is falling crowd.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I wish a real climate expert would come on here.

You mean another one? We already have 435,000 of them

[sounding]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Attempt to drum up attendance for a "let me tell you" meeting. Have fun.

It was fun. Today's audience at the Civil Discourse Club was happy to hear that climate was not the cause of the LA fires, but has everything to do with improving global weather -- including decreasing hurricanes and tornadoes. They were especially interested in hearing about the 2023/24 global warming spike - which is temporary. As a result, more people have signed up for the Weather Club's monthly announcements listing.

[Boomer]

I often have found the Civil Discourse Club to be nearing SRO and people have to be turned away because of room capacity. I attended what I think might have been their very first meeting, seems like it was in 2007, not sure. Anyway, we were renting at that time and the clubs were all listed in the paper.

I did not have my glasses on when I read about the (brand new at the time) Civil Discourse Club and, at first, I thought it said the Civil Disobedience Club. I have been interested in some of their speakers and sometimes not interested. But why mock the meetings of those who might, on occasion, think differently. (Rhetorical Question, thus no question mark at the end.)

Btw, I have an old friend whose house in Malibu is now a pile of ashes and another person I know has had to evacuate from a different one of those fires.

I am not an expert on climate, but I know hogwash when I see it. Many of those houses are built of wood -- and there you have plenty of kindling. The force of those winds is creating a hellscape. That old routine about vegetation is a monumental exaggeration, spreading, not unlike wildfire, just because narrowly informed people have decided to judge an entire state of lives -- and lives lost.

The bravery of those firefighters is amazing. There are no words to express my great respect for what they are doing for others. In my opinion, firefighters are the true definition of the word awesome. (And firefighters go into action without stopping to ask if the victims of the fire think like them.)

I do not pretend to understand the science of what is going on, but Mother Nature is certainly pizzed off and has been for a while.

But what I do understand is the very clear picture I am getting from the words of those who are coming through as gloating. Are people actually dancing on the ashes of other people's lives just because they do not like the State of California. What have we come to..........

Boomer

[Altavia]

Amen Boomer...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by sounding

Correct, these winds have been around forever and are global in nature. In the Santa Ana case, the more the "cold" air piles up east of the Rockies, the more likely these winds will occur. In other words, these winds are more likely during periods of global cooling than global warming.

Both global cooling and global warming are "climate change." When the climate changes - no matter what that change is, no matter what causes it, no matter how severe or mild - it is - by definition - climate change.

People love weaponizing and politicizing terms. Climate change is an actual thing. It happens, whether you want to accept it or not. Your opinion about climate change won't make it stop happening. It will happen whether people cause OR contribute to it, or not. People contribute to it, and we COULD reduce our contribution if we wanted to. But the climate will continue to change. Faster than if we hadn't contributed to it, but nonetheless, change.