[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by sounding

It was fun. Today's audience at the Civil Discourse Club was happy to hear that climate was not the cause of the LA fires, but has everything to do with improving global weather -- including decreasing hurricanes and tornadoes. They were especially interested in hearing about the 2023/24 global warming spike - which is temporary. As a result, more people have signed up for the Weather Club's monthly announcements listing.

Wonderful! Many of us older models are running out of time to have fun. Enjoy.
As for your mention of the 23/24 global warming spike being temporary. Everything is temporary. Nothing, absolutely nothing, lasts forever.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by shut the front door

Bingo. Way to silence the sky is falling crowd.

No. They just has better things to do than play on totv at this time. They will be back when they are in the mood to pluck some ostrich tail feathers.

And, FYI, they/we never said the sky was falling. That is vicious mis-characterization of well meaning folks that, with the best scientific knowledge available acknowledge that climate change is affected by human activity. That's all. The "sky" is not falling.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Both global cooling and global warming are "climate change." When the climate changes - no matter what that change is, no matter what causes it, no matter how severe or mild - it is - by definition - climate change.

People love weaponizing and politicizing terms. Climate change is an actual thing. It happens, whether you want to accept it or not. Your opinion about climate change won't make it stop happening. It will happen whether people cause OR contribute to it, or not. People contribute to it, and we COULD reduce our contribution if we wanted to. But the climate will continue to change. Faster than if we hadn't contributed to it, but nonetheless, change.

Excellent! I approve this message!

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by sounding

Correct, these winds have been around forever and are global in nature. In the Santa Ana case, the more the "cold" air piles up east of the Rockies, the more likely these winds will occur. In other words, these winds are more likely during periods of global cooling than global warming.

So the title of this thread, "Santa Ana winds [B]are caused by climate change/B] conveyed a message that was not exactly accurate?

[sounding]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Both global cooling and global warming are "climate change." When the climate changes - no matter what that change is, no matter what causes it, no matter how severe or mild - it is - by definition - climate change.

People love weaponizing and politicizing terms. Climate change is an actual thing. It happens, whether you want to accept it or not. Your opinion about climate change won't make it stop happening. It will happen whether people cause OR contribute to it, or not. People contribute to it, and we COULD reduce our contribution if we wanted to. But the climate will continue to change. Faster than if we hadn't contributed to it, but nonetheless, change.

"Faster" is a subjective opinion. Do you have any supporting data -- like how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth in 2023 for example?

[rsmurano]

Such garbage, the Santa Ana winds are not caused by climate change and Santa Ana winds have nothing to do with Santa Ana, California. Our house burned down along with 220 others in Santa Barbara due to Santa Ana winds almost 50 years ago. Back then, the fools were calling it global warming, or the hole in the ozone layer, or some other catchy phrase they tried to pull over us.
People (California leadership, homeowners) have to take responsibility for these fires, for example, the idiotic leadership has to implement standards in building construction, like no cedar roofs, no tall trees close to the house and creating fire breaks and implementing forest management.
But, all the California leadership can do is blame everyone else. These fires are right next to the ocean, salt water that would extinguish the flames easier, and nothing is happening. We were in another fire in another state and we had 50 helicopters with buckets dipping their buckets in our lake and dumping it on the fires. Not 1 helicopter was issued to do that in these California fires.
Maui, same thing happened. Ignorant leadership.

[Susan1717]

Here is a great read on the CA environment and errors made by environmentalists.

Environmentalists Destroyed California’s Forests | California Policy Center

[ithos]

Originally Posted by sounding

Find out why Jan 13 at 10 AM at the Savannah for a talk called "Florida Weather 101" for the Civil Discourse Club.

Don't forget about the record-breaking heat waves on land and in the ocean, drenching rains, severe floods, years-long droughts, extreme wildfires, and widespread flooding during hurricanes and the possibility of an alien invasion.

[Cuervo]

This might sound heartless, but we all understand this risk we take when we decide where we want to live. I've chosen to live here in Florida with the knowledge that I could find myself homeless one day due to a hurricane. The residents of California have to be aware they are living under a triple threat, Fire, Earthquakes, and Mudslides. Yet they have decided to live there anyway.

Now is climate change adding to the severity of the fires in California. Believer in climate change will say yes and deniers will say no. I can't give you an answer, but I do know in my lifetime the climate has been changing. Now I have two questions, is man responsible for the present change in the climate and even if he is not, is there something that we can do to reverse it. If not for us, for our grandchildren.

[PersonOfInterest]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

Such garbage, the Santa Ana winds are not caused by climate change and Santa Ana winds have nothing to do with Santa Ana, California. Our house burned down along with 220 others in Santa Barbara due to Santa Ana winds almost 50 years ago. Back then, the fools were calling it global warming, or the hole in the ozone layer, or some other catchy phrase they tried to pull over us.
People (California leadership, homeowners) have to take responsibility for these fires, for example, the idiotic leadership has to implement standards in building construction, like no cedar roofs, no tall trees close to the house and creating fire breaks and implementing forest management.
But, all the California leadership can do is blame everyone else. These fires are right next to the ocean, salt water that would extinguish the flames easier, and nothing is happening. We were in another fire in another state and we had 50 helicopters with buckets dipping their buckets in our lake and dumping it on the fires. Not 1 helicopter was issued to do that in these California fires.
Maui, same thing happened. Ignorant leadership.

Maybe the Wind Gusts are keeping them from providing Air Support. They have used air support including super tankers in the past, but not during high winds.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by sounding

Find out why Jan 13 at 10 AM at the Savannah for a talk called "Florida Weather 101" for the Civil Discourse Club.

For contrary views based on credible science and data visit Watts Up With That? – The world's most viewed site on global warming and climate change.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by ithos

For contrary views based on credible science and data visit Watts Up With That? – The world's most viewed site on global warming and climate change.

Looks very one-sided.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

No. They just has better things to do than play on totv at this time. They will be back when they are in the mood to pluck some ostrich tail feathers.

And, FYI, they/we never said the sky was falling. That is vicious mis-characterization of well meaning folks that, with the best scientific knowledge available acknowledge that climate change is affected by human activity. That's all. The "sky" is not falling.

Seemed like it was a perfect characterization to me

[defrey12]

Originally Posted by sounding

Find out why Jan 13 at 10 AM at the Savannah for a talk called "Florida Weather 101" for the Civil Discourse Club.

If ANYONE believes this, come on over…I’ve got a bridge for sale. THEY are really grasping at straws here. I watched my childhood home burn last week! I can tell you with CERTAINTY that the SA Winds existed in the sixties…as I’m sure they have for eons. Long before the idiots started screaming that we somehow caused it. Yes, the earth too has been warming for eons…LONG before the internal combustion engine. Proof that it’s not us.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by ithos

Don't forget about the record-breaking heat waves on land and in the ocean, drenching rains, severe floods, years-long droughts, extreme wildfires, and widespread flooding during hurricanes and the possibility of an alien invasion.

All of which has happened hundreds of times before human technology arrived. (with the exception of the alien invasion)