[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by CybrSage

Yes, the title is a lie meant to stir the pot.

Thanks for the info. Goal achieved, it seems. Such fun!

[GWilliams]

Originally Posted by sounding

Find out why Jan 13 at 10 AM at the Savannah for a talk called "Florida Weather 101" for the Civil Discourse Club.

The problem is that people think they can buy the air over other countries and smother your farts and what you say.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Same tired silly question. The data is there.
If you (humans) add fuel to a cars engine it will go faster. fact. How much faster depends on many factors, like make and model, quality of fuel, fuel mixture, load, resistance, etc. Rather than try to quiet the statement by focusing on one fluctuating element of the fuel mixture, why not engage in more constructive dialog about what might help slow the rate of warming? Global warming/climate change, once vehemently denied, is now openly accepted. One step to go is acknowledgement that human activities have played a part.

In other words, you don't know the answer.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Same tired silly question. The data is there.
If you (humans) add fuel to a cars engine it will go faster. fact. How much faster depends on many factors, like make and model, quality of fuel, fuel mixture, load, resistance, etc. Rather than try to quiet the statement by focusing on one fluctuating element of the fuel mixture, why not engage in more constructive dialog about what might help slow the rate of warming? Global warming/climate change, once vehemently denied, is now openly accepted. One step to go is acknowledgement that human activities have played a part.

Nicely stated. If the scientists of most reputable institutions all say the same thing they are probably right unless advances in knowledge bring new things to light . Common sense.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

All true, but I'll add best independent, non-political estimates are that human activity will simply delay the next ice age by about 5,000 years---and that is due to the rise of agriculture in Asia over the last 8,000 years and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LAST 200 YEARS OF BURNING FOSSIL FUELS.

Me thinks thou protests too much. 🙂🫠😉

Fact is, you just admitted that human activity has altered the environment and climate. Not so long ago you were stating "no way, Jose, that humans could ever affect the planet in any way. Welcome.

[Normal]

Santa Ana winds have been around since the dawn of humanity. There have been some very serious wind issues recorded the last decade of 19th century in the LA area. The dry years have come and gone, but none were as dry as the 1930s when the mid US recorded the time period as the “Dust Bowl”. I get a kick out of those claiming “Climate “ change when climate has to be measured over a much more lengthy time frame than a year or two.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Nicely stated. If the scientists of most reputable institutions all say the same thing they are probably right unless advances in knowledge bring new things to light . Common sense.

Nicely stated -- but fails to identify exactly how much man-made CO2 actually warmed the earth at any prior year. Notice it is never said. Guess why. Guess why Global Warming became Climate Change.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by ithos

And the government websites aren't?
Basics of Climate Change | US EPA

Global warming is not settled science. Climate change has been around since the beginning of time. And when the proposed solution is to increase taxes and throttle our standard of living then it is wise to be exposed to scientific based arguments of both sides because it is extremely complex.

I originally believed they hype from Al Gore, but became more skeptical when many scientists in the climate field were challenging the theory. So I dug further and read about the UN climate change conferences and found out that the politicians and bureaucrats dominated the discourse and the many scientists who disagreed were completely ignored.

Science can be and has many times been corrupted by special interests especially when profits and political power can be obtained.

The beauty of science is that it is never "settled" completely. True science isn't corrupt. But, certain groups or individuals may misrepresent, distort, hide, misuse the results of scientific enquiry. Science is the search for truth. Nothing more. Nothing sinister. But many want to hide the truth for many, many reasons, criminal, political, religious, etc. Don't blame science, blame the ones who misuse it.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Normal

Santa Ana winds have been around since the dawn of humanity. There have been some very serious wind issues recorded the last decade of 19th century in the LA area. The dry years have come and gone, but none were as dry as the 1930s when the mid US recorded the time period as the “Dust Bowl”. I get a kick out of those claiming “Climate “ change when climate has to be measured over a much more lengthy time frame than a year or two.

Except for all the man made pollution going into the atmosphere for the last 150 years or so.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

The beauty of science is that it is never "settled" completely. True science isn't corrupt. But, certain groups or individuals may misrepresent, distort, hide, misuse the results of scientific enquiry. Science is the search for truth. Nothing more. Nothing sinister. But many want to hide the truth for many, many reasons, criminal, political, religious, etc. Don't blame science, blame the ones who misuse it.

There certainly have been some huge scientific discoveries that change or scientific knowledge. I do not recall anything about weather that much. Except that they are getting a lot better predicting it.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by CybrSage

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Warming is happening but man cannot change it without messing things up. That is the one thing we excel at.

We have been very effective so far, haven't we. More effective than we ever thought possible.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Except for all the man made pollution going into the atmosphere for the last 150 years or so.

Certainly not as bad as the Carbon dioxide amounts spewed by volcanic activity though. A few serious eruptions would well eclipse all we have put in the atmosphere over the past 150 years.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Kelevision

And some of use are smart enough to understand there’s no way man has NOT contributed to climate change. I remember when they stopped making aerosol deodorants due to depletion of the ozone layer. Yes, the climate is always changing but also yes man has contributed to things getting more severe.

True!

[ithos]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Nicely stated. If the scientists of most reputable institutions all say the same thing they are probably right unless advances in knowledge bring new things to light . Common sense.

That is because any scientist or engineer who doesn't espouse a belief in anthropologic global warming theory will almost never be hired by the federal government or academia. Also many have been fired for not going along with the campaign for global scaremongering. It has been that way for ever since IPCC1990.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Man has contributed to extinction of about everything for greed. They bulldozed land to plant crops, they killed of animals for trophies, they killed their fellow humans for land and control. So why not kill off weather? No other animals can have profound effect of planet earth. Maybe population reduction would be better investment than trying to tilt earth axis?

Truth. Certainly population reduction could make a difference. The question is, how? That is a subject for another thread.