[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Bwanajim

You are 100% correct! Is the fault of Gavin Newsom and the mayor. He knocked down 3 dams to save a fish and took away some of their water reservoir system. They didn't clean the underbrush. They waited forever when they could've had planes, dropping water and fire retardant soon as it started. They could have called the National Guard out earlier. They could have monitored that area by just flying over every day.

Would'a, could'a, should'a. Playing the blame game? Regulations, infrastructure, laws and practices will change. And the people doing much of the blaming will bitch and moan about taxes to support all the new stuff. Seen it.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

That was up in Oregon and northern CA and looks to have no connection to the water system in Los Angeles.

Lots of bad information out there .

Some just looking to blame someone. Political jab? Maybe.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

^ Concur. Exactly this. I remember in the 1980's when the hyperventilating sign-wavers were demanding an end to hairspray and aerosols because of the hole in the o-zone they supposedly created. We were all going to die of skin cancer within decades. Well, 45 years later that hole in the o-zone magically healed itself. Or never existed in the first place.

Thank the hyperventilating sign-wavers you didn't die of skin cancer. 🙂🙂😉

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by GWilliams

The problem is that people think they can buy the air over other countries and smother your farts and what you say.

😱 REALLY? My stars and garters, what will they think of next?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by sounding

Nicely stated -- but fails to identify exactly how much man-made CO2 actually warmed the earth at any prior year. Notice it is never said. Guess why. Guess why Global Warming became Climate Change.

I looked it up once for you, but you just gave me another unrealistic red herrington chase. You don't seem to want the truth. You just want to win the debate. So, how much CO2, man-made of course, atoms per billion would actually make a difference. Please show your calculations and sources of information used in said calculations.

No, I don't expect you to do it. You couldn't. Maybe, though, you see how ridiculous your recurring CO2 demand is.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by mikempp

Quit watching cnn

And go to the meeting of the civil discord club. Learn everything you never knew about the weather, or climate, or whatever they want to tell you.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Normal

Certainly not as bad as the Carbon dioxide amounts spewed by volcanic activity though. A few serious eruptions would well eclipse all we have put in the atmosphere over the past 150 years.

There have not been any serious volcanic eruptions causing widespread changes in the weather for quite a while. And they usually make things colder. Krakatoa in 1883, for example, was a very strong volcanic explosion. And it had done that before as well.

[Cuervo]

I’ve always believed all humans had a natural can-do attitude built in their DNA, but I am starting to realize I was wrong, there seem to be a number of humans that have a can’t do attitude.
When it comes to climate change many will say do nothing and let nature takes it course. For those who truly believe we should not try to harness our own destiny and leave everything to nature, imagine yourself living in a cave, wearing animal skins for clothing and having to forage for food every day. Thanks for early human that were satisfied with what nature dealt them.

[Cuervo]

CORRECTION TO MY LAST POSTING

I’ve always believed all humans had a natural can-do attitude built in their DNA, but I am starting to realize I was wrong, there seem to be a number of humans that have a can’t do attitude.
When it comes to climate change many will say do nothing and let nature takes it course. For those who truly believe we should not try to harness our own destiny and leave everything to nature, imagine yourself living in a cave, wearing animal skins for clothing and having to forage for food every day. Thanks for early human that were NOT satisfied with what nature dealt them.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I wish a real climate expert would come on here.

Well, the TV channel that I watch has climate experts on saying that the extra strength of the Santa Anna Winds are related to climate change. And since 2024 has been determined to be the HOTTEST on record, then I believe that there is some effect from Climate Change. What I basically hear is that some areas of the world are MORE influenced by the Global Heating than other areas. For example, the North and South Polar regions are effected as much as 4 times greater than the mid Latitudes. The Arctic ocean will have zero ice in a few years. That's why various countries are racing to establish mining operations there for lithium and other minerals.
........There are recent trends pushing people AWAY from science and scientific explanations. We will likely see it happening for THIS thread.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Well, the TV channel that I watch has climate experts on saying that the extra strength of the Santa Anna Winds are related to climate change. And since 2024 has been determined to be the HOTTEST on record, then I believe that there is some effect from Climate Change. What I basically hear is that some areas of the world are MORE influenced by the Global Heating than other areas. For example, the North and South Polar regions are effected as much as 4 times greater than the mid Latitudes. The Arctic ocean will have zero ice in a few years. That's why various countries are racing to establish mining operations there for lithium and other minerals.
........There are recent trends pushing people AWAY from science and scientific explanations. We will likely see it happening for THIS thread.

There are "climate experts" on both sides of this issue. Global Warming is a theory. It can not be be proven or disproven by a headcount of experts, professors and meteorologists. Nor can it be proven by any established scientific protocol, standard or testing.

The best we can do is to have reputable and highly credentialed professionals on both sides of the issue to participate in public debates or some other form of discourse that would be promulgated for all the world to see.

But of course that will never take place since the true goal of the climate agenda is not saving the planet but to expand the power of government so as to control or limit the freedom of individuals.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

It was fun. Today's audience at the Civil Discourse Club was happy to hear that climate was not the cause of the LA fires, but has everything to do with improving global weather -- including decreasing hurricanes and tornadoes. They were especially interested in hearing about the 2023/24 global warming spike - which is temporary. As a result, more people have signed up for the Weather Club's monthly announcements listing.

"Decreasing hurricanes and tornadoes".....not planet-wide on THIS Earth. Heat is the driving force for hurricanes and tornadoes. July 10th was the HOTTEST EVER RECORDED. 2024 was the 2nd most active on record for tornadoes in the US with over 1750 CONFIRMED tornadoes. Worldwide, in 2024, it is the US with the dubious honor of leading the world with the most (54) tornado-related deaths. China was at 14 and South Africa had 12. This stuff can be Googled - I am NOT making it up. Facts can be found very easily today.
......We do NOT have DECREASING hurricanes and tornadoes.

[Pinball wizard]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Looks very one-sided.

Not saying they are right or wrong but "facts" tend to be one-sided.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

"Faster" is a subjective opinion. Do you have any supporting data -- like how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth in 2023 for example?

2024 is the worldwide warmest on record (since temperatures were recorded). And the last 10 years are the warmest 10 on record. The fact that they are recent and increasing should SCARE everyone. They are numbers that can't be denied - even by climate deniers.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by shut the front door

Bingo. Way to silence the sky is falling crowd.

Never happen. You preach heresy to a True Believer and it automatically gets rejected out-of-hand.