Well, then why is it that every day of every hour recently, I have seen helicopters dropping water and fire retardant out of buckets or some container?????

"something we can do" .........I must have written 50 posts saying that buying Electric vehicles and bikes are the MAIN thing that people can do. Increased populations driving gasoline vehicles worldwide are the problem. The problem is so bad that the US government should pay 80% of a new Electric vehicle, but that won't happen. Because it is so much easier to ignore the problem and the OIL and GAS industry makes MEGA PROFITS.

The world has 8.2 Billion people in it today. There were much fewer in the 1960s. And MANY fewer automobiles and people burning Coal worldwide.

Not as ridiculous as the non-stop climate-change scare-mongering in the media. But again, you aren't able to say how much man-made CO2 warmed the earth in 2024.

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Good afternoon, Saucy Jim. I must address your lifting my words out of context when you quoted only my next-to-last paragraph from what is now post #13 in this thread. That was an odd and disingenuous thing to do to my original post, where I was not arguing climate change, but was reacting to the hateful things I am seeing in the words of people who appear to be taking joy and finding humor in the tragedy of the fires.

C’mon, you chose to lift my figurative, not literal, wording, while ignoring the point of my entire post, quoted at the top of this page.

If you are willing to look again, just skip over the part where I talk about the Civil Discourse Club and pick up at the third paragraph that starts with “Btw,” and there you can read my point — but my guess is you chose to ignore that and were just looking for an opportunity to be snarky, lamely implying that I think Mother Nature is real. . .

BUT, ya know, I did see her when she did a commercial for Chiffon margarine a long time ago. Her only line was, “It’s not nice to fool Mother Nature.” So! There she was. Right there on that television screen, albeit a small one. And aren’t we supposed to believe everything we see on a screen we watch and then behave accordingly while quoting a mindless mantra, abdicating our own critical thinking skills. Some people sure do just that.

The post I was responding to is now gone, but that post was a bitter mocking of the people who are losing everything in this fire. That post and a couple of others, gone now, too, caused me to speak up — which is what I did.

The lack of caring about others has been strategically cultivated for the gain of power. That type of cultivating has been a part of divide-and- conquer world history forever, but this century’s glut of media opportunities has made it so easy to turn people against each other.

People I have known to be kind souls are now falling for this hateful stuff. Why some are so susceptible to manipulation that drives them to take joy in the tragedy of other Americans is a mystery to me.

Anyway, please do not take my words out of context and then twist them to whatever it is you need. But if you want to argue my point about the inhumanity/dehumanizing we are seeing now in our purposely divided America, well then……..

Boomer

PS: Jon Stewart made the same point last night — but with biting sarcasm, insighful ox-goring. Watch it if you dare.

A.I needs MAGA-GOOBS of energy. So, A.I. MAY help push forward knowledge, but at a cost of huge wasted energy. Maybe nuclear energy will improve (they are getting smaller) and provide so much energy that China will not need to burn so much coal. And like California, the US will require all automobiles to be Electric after some (?) year. We can only hope.

And you do?

"Climate change" is not synonymous with "global warming" or "man-made CO2." It's like asking if the reason flowers grow in flower beds is because people buy fertilizer.

If we hadn't polluted the air. If we hadn't cut down forests. If we hadn't used the land for toxic waste. If we hadn't drilled thousands of miles worth of holes in the planet. If we hadn't replaced pristine natural reserves with skyscrapers and parking lots and commercial areas. If we hadn't dumped garbage in our water sources...

then the climate change would have still happened, but not as quickly. Glaciers melt. That's a natural part of climate change. But they're melting quicker now, than they have ever in the current incarnation of the existence of humans as homo sapien sapien.

The Age of Agriculture created pockets of needy soil that hadn't previously existed, which required water, which meant depleting local water sources, which meant needing to create chemical methods of growing to preserve water, which then attracted more pests, which needed more pesticide, which polluted the air, water, and land, which killed animals, which caused harm to the ecosystem and food chain, which led to dead critters, which led to decay, which composts and becomes heated, which seeps into water sources, which erodes the oceans, and so on and so forth.

The Bronze Age contributed its own death punch to the planet. Didn't kill it, but gave it a shake. The Iron Age did as well.

Throughout human history, we have continued to leech from the planet that sustains us, use it up, and burn it, pollute it, evaporate it, or otherwise consume it. Climate change is NOT the result of that, but it is AFFECTED by that.

You don't have to like it. And we can't stop it. Even if we were to slow it down /now/ we would likely not see the results of that slow-down in our lifetime, or our grandchildren's lifetimes.

Yes. Conveniently left out of the dialog.

If you compare the graphs of World Population in the last 50 years with a graph of Global Warming over the same time period, you can see both rise in the last 10 years. That just about explains it all.

They had a "super scooper" plane from Canada deployed over one of the fires, but someone idiot who wanted their 15 minutes of fame on TikTok got the genius idea of flying their drone over the area. The drone caused damage to the plane and it had to be grounded.

The stupidity of my fellow humans never ceases to amaze me.

Thank you for this! 🤗 My former life was in SoCal, and my whole family (3 adult kids, 3 y/o grandson, sister, brothers, very dear life long friends) all still live there. It’s all so heartbreaking. 💔

I think it's a stackable thing. Problem A happened, and then problem B happened, while problems C, D, and E were lining up to happen simultaneously. Then problems F and G happened, and then - the tipping point, was drilling enormous holes in the planet, sucking out the oil and leaving hollow pockets, and burning all of that oil into the atmosphere. I think it would've had little to no effect on climate change if nothing else had also already happened. But because all those other things happened - this was the thing that said "y'know what, Mother Nature is having a big sad. Her tears were glaciers, and now they're breaking off and doing things they weren't supposed to do until the human race evolved again."

What about the Ben Franklin and the kite flying experiment that involved lightning and electricity. That had a weather element.

WOW! A worldwide mega conspiracy. Now that is "scaremongering". Lions, Tigers and bears, oh my, and now global anti-science conspiracy? Welcome to the Matrix. 😄😁🫠