Isn’t Australia an island, if the oceans are rising, won’t it be under water in a few years? I think you previously said Florida will be underwater.

List of drainage basins of Australia - Wikipedia

It would be islands but not for a long time.

Climate change in Australia - Wikipedia

Maybe I should look into Sweden instead of Australia. I just hope that i can get CNN there for reliable media reporting!

Originally Posted by jimjamuser View Post
I am merely the messenger. It is NOT a good idea to "shoot the messenger". It is generally better to argue against the MESSAGE. We all seem to be in general agreement that 2023 was the HOTTEST in recorded history........so I can conclude that my work is done here.

IF Only, but somehow I doubt it. That was my thought many of your posts ago. Obviously, I was right

As we all know there is recorded history in rocks, ice cores etc? Shows data allowing experts to date the earth back 4,500,000,000 years. Shows data of multiple ice ages over the years. Shows records of water levels much higher than current levels in between ice ages. Shows long periods of temperature much higher than current period. Many periods of global cooling and global warming. Even before humans. That is reality.

The causes of those changes were exclusive of human influence. Additionally, we have been in a period of global warming for 1000's of years.

Can humans affect the greenhouse gases? Yes. Just by breathing (inhale air at 21% oxygen. 04% CO2)(exhale air 16.4% oxygen, 4.4% CO2) Double the population, double the CO2. But then the plants absorb CO2 and emit Oxygen. But life goes on, the sun rises, people war, people procreate, society advances.

People have migrated since they began to exist. Weather had impacts but is not the sole cause.

Rather than dispute cause and impact on TOTV, why not offer solutions that you have implemented that contribute to a reduction to the problem. The answer is not go electric on everything. Production of electricity is a high consumer of carbon-based fuels.

Have you gone solar for your power needs? Have you reduced your carbon footprint in travel such as Trains instead of planes? Solar, water, wind Electric verse carbon fuels? Have you cut back on home AC and Heat requirements? Have you eliminated pleasure trips for sightseeing or family visits. Are you recycling your garbage and trash in some way other than what The Villages offers? Are you cutting back on your use of hot water from electric or gas fuels.

Half right again. You can get CNN, but it is far from reliable media reporting.

I guess that I should be happy with some limited attempt to debate the actual issues (with just a slight dash of snark). That is an improvement over some. I guess that I can MOSTLY agree with the statement, "double the population, double the CO2". I will agree if the population is total worldwide and averages in BOTH 1st world and 3rd world populations because the 1st world produces much more CO2 pollution. That is why US and China populations are so important and why illegal immigration into the US is a SERIOUSLY bad issue.
......Yes, people have always migrated, but the migration that I am talking about is RECENT (10 years) migration caused by MAN-MADE CLIMATE-HEAT ruining their crops and forcing them Northward. Obviously, they are NOT migrating southward toward the Equator.

If it's man-made global warming, then tell me ... how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year?

But, you still have idea how law works.

Why did CNN Have to apologize for presidential debate questions release before the debate? Wast that legitimate and respectful news network to try to influence presidential election? How quickly we forget.

No. I meant what I wrote. And I do act rationally given the world I live in. And I assume you believe you act rationally, also.

Tell that to Nick Sandman...

You can be more creative than that.

I could say the same about them, being safe from me... Or so claims my wife...

talk about johnny one note!

Recent migration is all about $$$... They've been told they'll get free housing, healthcare, education etc, etc, etc...

It has nothing to do with CO2...

And TV, Texas, Arizona, etc are FULL of people who migrated south...

Then your point is moot...

He could, but that would result in, yet another vacation...

Funny how no one can answer that simple question...

I'd wager if someone could give an answer, he'd stop asking the question...

Nah! He doesn't want an answer. He wants somebody to bite on his plastic lure, do the research and present it on a platter for him. And then, after all the work was done double checked, peer reviewed, he would just deny everything and go back his comfortable falsehoods, to see if he can suck anyone else into the nonsense. IMHO, of course! He is a fisherman. And fishermen are famous for telling tails.

Yet bet. It's the core question fueling the fake climate crisis. Do you know the answer? How much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year?

Ok, the Comedy news network. :bowdown:

You ignore comment about accepting that record exists of multiple periods of global warming and global cooling much more drastic than your year 2023 hottest year on record. All of which occurred prior to any man made influence.

Of course, that would dispel the suggetions that the 2020 years are the hottest years "Ever", and that man is totally at fault. Also ignored is that scientists have stated we are still on the downside of the last Ice age.
You also don't mention solutions that you have implemented to particpate in reducing the problem .

Again, not saying that man does not impact global temperature. Man has drained swamps, reclaimed land from the sea, cleared forests, created huge concrete hot spots, mined and drilled for fuel to power equipment and heat and cool homes. We all walk around in our 98.6 F bodies transferring heat to the environment.

The earth is wrapped in a blanket of air. The lower level is called by some, the Troposphere and because of gravity the densest air. This level is about 6.8 miles (11KM) thick. The temperature in this area decreases by about 11.7 F per Kilo or 117 F within the 6.8 mile. After that we have the stratosphere which goes from 6.8 miles to 31 miles. The first 12 miles of the stratosphere has a constant temperature and then a raise due to the Ozone Layer.

The point is that the earth is in a virtual see thru thermos bottle. The heat is not coming from the gases that make the air. The heat is coming primarily from the radiation from the sun and secondarily from sources on the earth. The air also gets its heat from the sources. Night time and temp decreases, no sun. Cloudy and temp decreases, no sun. Winter less sun, temp decreases. Summer more sun, temp increases.

Farmer Jones has 1000 cows. No impact, Farmer Smith slaughtered 1000 cows.

Among those in the intelligence community, it is referred to as the "Classified News Network"

Originally Posted by jimjamuser:
"I am merely the messenger. It is NOT a good idea to "shoot the messenger". It is generally better to argue against the MESSAGE. We all seem to be in general agreement that 2023 was the HOTTEST in recorded history."

Not in recorded history, which goes back some 5,500-6,000 years----in the history of weather records, which goes back about 150 years. And I doubt "we all" agree on that either, depending on the methodology used, which changed in 1977---only 46 years ago

I'm just hoping 2024 is one of the coolest years on record, so "we all" can stop hearing how 2023 was so warm and the beginning of a trend.
PS: we are in a warming trend, but it began 20,000 years ago WITHOUT ANY HELP FROM MAN.

Anyway, MERRY CHRISTMAS! (Whether you anticipate snowmen or puddles in the future:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

I'm still waiting for someone to answer the question: How much did mankind contribute to climate change, CO2 increase, etc. over what would naturally occur. So far, the only answers is that since there are more humans on earth than at another time, there MUST be a correlation between the increase in CO2 and Global Warming. The answering solution seems to be that we must get rid of all mankind to stop the Climate from changing. Another answer that seems to be a skipping record (vinyl type) is that Australia does everything better than us. It reminds me of some folks theory that in order to lower crime rates, we must raise the income level (throw money at the problem) of all those that make less than the rest of us that worked for our level of lifestyle. Because everyone knows that crime is related to being impoverished, not because one is lazy or evil. In order to rid everyone of a bias or prejudice, laws must be made that makes anything that one does not agree with a violation (hate speech) of the law.
And yet, a simple question like "how much did mankind contribute to Global Warming/Climate Change" results in tap dancing to avoid answering. Just show me proof, that's all. It's kind of hard for me to consider some of the supposed proof when there is also proof that much of the US of A was underwater at a certain period in the past. That dinosaurs roamed the world and required great amounts of vegetation, and the world had to warmer to sustain enough vegetation to feed them.
Just show me the proof that mankind has caused Global Warming and not the natural ecological recurring changes that would happen regardless of a human populated Earth. Simple question. Saying there is a larger population therefore the climate is warmer is just like saying there are no more dinosaurs on Earth, therefore that must have caused the ICE AGE.
Just my two cents. Personally, I don't think that throwing a trillion bucks of someone else's money into the research of the subject is something that we should be considering. Donations should be voluntary, not mandatory. Let those that insist on this folly, provide voluntary funding/donations to the cause. I guarantee that if there was no money involved, there would be very little interest in the subject.

Hear, hear!

Merry Christmas! G E & to all! 🎄🎄