[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

80 years ago, the only 'greens' around were brassicas, and gays were just happy people!
The UK Clean Air Act of 1956 was introduced as a response to the 1952 Great Smog.
Nothing to do with any Environmental groups.
It was a time when politicians actually worked to solve problems, and not just spend all their time raising money to get reelected.

So, the politicians were the "greens" that regulated the industries for the benefit of the regular folks, causing industries to institute costly practices or face massive fines? I know that industry wasn't fond of the expensive clean-up Hey, have it your way, as long as we get a cleaner and healthier environment

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

Here is the non cherry picked chart.

Latest Global Temps « Roy Spencer, PhD

It looks like that graph shows INCREASING TEMPERATURES. And I remember reading in various articles that the last 8 years are GLOBALLY, the warmest since 1880 when data began to be available. And I seem to remember that the Gulf of Mexico was at RECORD highs this summer.........we all know about the size and destruction of hurricane IAN.........which seems related to the Gulf temperatures. In fact, the TV meteorologists said that the Gulf temperatures "SUPERCHARGED" hurricane IAN. In fact, there seem to be only a few "naysayers" here locally that TRY to pump up anti-Global Warming sentiment. I wish I could figure out what is gained by an agenda of misinformation. The oil companies fought to conceal Global Warming way back in 1980. Man-caused Global Warming is pretty much settled-SCIENCE at this point.

I have a friend that lives near Naples and I right now removing wet and moldy insulation from his attic. he talks about the effect of Florida's recent HOTTER summers and increased Gulf temperatures. It would be hard to convince him that the Earth was cooling recently. I think most people believe otherwise!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Anyone call claim what is good or not good, but the cooling trend began after 2015, which is why I plotted that data -- good or bad -- this data shows a cooling trend. The question is ... how long with this continue? Another question is ... why the cooling trend while CO2 continues its steady and steep upward slope?

Well, that is correct about the increased CO2 which is increasing the acidification of the oceans and "bleaching" / KILLING reef coral.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

I like that!

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Unfortunately, the "End IS already here" for many animal species that have died out (very extinct) in recent years. Also sad is the Scientific prediction that by 2090 ONLY 10% of the world's coral reefs will be ALIVE. That IS going to be a bad / sad world that our great GRANDCHILDREN and future generations will have to live in. We are already seeing mass human migration northward from South America and Africa. And on the TV yesterday and today, there are pictures of hundreds of elephant and other large African animals lying very DEAD due to drought related to recent Climate
Change. There are predictions of up to 1/3 of Africa becoming uninhabitable for humans starting in 2060.

So, it looks like that "the end is near sign" is more of a Scientific prediction than some type of JOKE. But it is easier for this generation to "joke" because they will be gone and leave ALL the FUTURE hardships to new generations. Who needs a sense of fairness? Anyway, America was founded with the idea of "conquering the environment" so our ancestors must be VERY proud because it looks like we are FINALLY succeeding!

[Driller703]

Is CO2 is heavier than air? If so, how is it ending up in the upper atmosphere.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Global temperatures in past seven years hottest ever observed, new data show

The last year was the earth's sixth-warmest on record, while the past seven years were among the warmest ever recorded, according to research released Thursday by NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

The NOAA analysis found that while Earth was slightly cooler than 2019 and 2020, 2021 was still among the warmest on record dating back to 1880.

Every year from 2013 to 2021 was among the ten warmest recorded years, and 2021 was the 45th consecutive year with global temperatures above the 20th century average, according to the agency. The average land and ocean surface temperature during the year was about 1.5 degrees above the 20th-century average.

So, who do you believe? Who do you trust. Just watch the Weather Channel. I don't think they are lying to us.

[dougjb]

I guess this one observation from a very limited time frame from a very limited geographic location dispels the conclusions of hundreds of climatologists with advanced degrees from some very prestigious universities.

Thats one way to dispel the truth. As for me, I don't see the earth curving from my house windows. That is the case every time I have looked out each side of my house. It has been that way for many years. Since my observations suggest there is not curvature to the earth, the earth is flat.

See, I proved it!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Ditto -- and the best part is that CO2 helps make the earth greener and helps keep the earth comfortable for humans ... we are after all tropical life forms since we were born without fur. Man-made CO2 is helping to make our climate great again.

...........by killing reef coral.....?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

"Had little to do with facts" is exactly right -- just like today. The facts are so little that no one can identify how much "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year.

Maybe the dead elephants can explain how Global Warming is happening.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Maybe the dead elephants can explain how Global Warming is happening.

Maybe you aren’t aware but species have been going extinct since the beginning of time. Man hasn’t even been around for most of them.

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[Laraine]

It's been pointed out that 5 or 10 years is too short of a period to base a trend on. For that matter, 150 years is too short of a period, when talking about the earth. 150 years corresponds to how long we've been observing meteorology, and how long we've said global warming has been happening. 150 years ago also happens to correspond to the coldest period in the last 10,000 years, based upon ice cores in Greenland, peat bogs, tree rings, and other measurements. It only makes sense that the temperature has gone up in that period, but it is very difficult to say if man is causing it. In fact, temperatures about 4-5000 years ago were about 2.5 deg. C higher than our current temperatures, and temperatures about 1000 years ago (the Medieval Warm Period) were about 1 deg. C higher than now. Unlikely that industrialization was causing either of those warm periods.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

I picked the point at which slight global cooling started. This cooling is partially due to increasing incursions of polar outbreaks, accompanied by a cooling ENSO and PDO. This is why the hurricane trend has been decreasing for the past 2 years. Data also shows a weakening polar vortex, which is commonly indicative of more polar outbreaks to come -- at least in the near future.

It is better to remember that Hurricane FREQUENCY is decreasing, but Hurricane INTENSITY and human deaths and costs to society are INCREASING. According to Reuters and Bloomberg...... IAN will have done about 60 BILLION dollars worth of property damage to Florida - about 20 Billion will be uninsured. Insurance premiums all over Florida will INCREASE on top of ALREADY being 3 times higher than the national average. Many will lose coverage!

Today the warmest water in the Gulf is 84 degrees. on July 17 it was 90 degrees.

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

Here is the non cherry picked chart.

Latest Global Temps « Roy Spencer, PhD

Thank you. Clearly, as most reputable scientists have said, there is an upward trend. You'd have to be brain dead not to notice the signs of global warming: The ocean temps are getting warmer, ice sheets are shrinking, glaciers are retreating, sea level is rising, extreme weather events are increasing in frequency. This is from climate.nasa.gov - while the sun has played a role in past climate changes, not this time around. It is manmade activities that are the principal driver of the greenhouse effect, a conclusion reached by scientistic experts from around the world.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Fortunately, humans are helping to improve earth's climate by adding more CO2 to the air. It's odd that so many believe CO2 to be a satanic gas -- and yet no one even knows how much "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year. We all know exactly how much CO2 increased last year, or how much gasoline prices increased last year -- but not how much "man-made" CO2 increased earth's temperature. Think about that. Why is that not known? What is the news media hiding - besides the 7-year cooling trend? The answer is available through the use of a globally recognized equation which was created by the world's greatest scientists (including Einstein's contributions). This equation is publicly accessible via a computer program created by the US Government, which accurately describes (to the best of human knowledge) how CO2 and all other greenhouses gases affect our atmosphere. For those who don't know this equation or the program that runs it ... they will be discussed Nov 17 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor.

That's what the OIL industry said to fool Americans about pollution and Global Warming in 1980. I guess some still believe that and that Scientific knowledge is REGRESSING.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by nick demis

If you look at 5, 10 or100 year charts you are not looking at a true representation of what is taking place. Looking at 10,000, 100,000 year or greater duration charts to find out where we are in the climate cycle. Then you will see how little humans have on the changing climate.

To me, that sounds like a "DISTRACTOR" as commonly used in debates.