[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

Not exactly. We know we are in an interglacial period that started about 12,000 years ago. The concern is that additional anthropogenic warming on top of the interglacial warming will be an issue. The time scale of concern is primarily the next 100 years or so. Estimates put the anthropogenic warming at about 1C. The concerns are that it could be an additional several degrees by the end of the century. While that may not sound like a lot but that is a global change. The regional impacts would be large and could create political upheaval due to migrations away from those regions most impacted.

Yes, exactly!

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

To me, that sounds like a "DISTRACTOR" as commonly used in debates.

It does not address the issue. We have to live with the change caused by Global Warming now in 2022. We may not survive to 3022.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

To me, that sounds like a "DISTRACTOR" as commonly used in debates.

I think the whole subject is a distraction. The real elephant in the room is the threat of nuclear war and no one will care what the temperature will be when that happens. Isn’t anyone listening to the development and testing occurring in unscrupulous countries. The scariest fact is those terrorists may already be entrenched among us.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Well, that is correct about the increased CO2 which is increasing the acidification of the oceans and "bleaching" / KILLING reef coral.

Yes, because "killing reef coral" is sooo important to our lifestyles....

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

All the scientific stuff is way above my pay grade, but it is obvious that there is a change. The bit I cannot get my head round is that it is man made.
80+ years ago when I was growing up in UK, the air quality was dire. Smog, smoke from coal fires, lead from car exhausts, it was a killer.
Now the air has never been cleaner, but the 'Greens' claim it is still our fault and conditions are getting worse! How?
That's what I find hard to even start to believe.

An article from today's BBC UK service.
The BBC are Climate change zealots.

What is climate change? A really simple guide - BBC News

There is MUCH more to man-made Global Warming observations than simply AIR QUALITY improvement in the UK and the US. For one BIG FACTOR, there are double or triple the world population from 80 years ago. That BIG of a population change IS CONSIDERED BY most CLIMATE Scientists to have INCREASED the CO2 production which has produced the RAPID warming in recent years. The UK and the US simply OUTSOURCED their pollution and CO2 production in the last 80 years of our lifetimes to China and other 3rd world countries. The pollution drifts upward where we don't see it often, but it causes the RAPID WARMING of the planet. Also, Global Warming is considered a threat to US and 1st world industrial Corporations that have LOBBYISTS like for the OIL industry whose job it is to LIE to the American People. This started about 1980 and involves BIG money.

Today the Global Temperatures have increased more in the last eight years than in any similar period since 1880. Simply, the Industrial lobbyists have more money to spend on advertisement propaganda about Global Warming than Scientists have to spend on PR FOR Global Warming.

Another BIG factor is the cutting down of OLD GROWTH forest In the Amazon Rain Forest and other old-growth areas, which is needed to absorb the EXTRA CO2 and other pollutants produced by 1st world industry and IC auto engines. Those are some FACTORS that have change in the past 80 years.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

Global temperatures in past seven years hottest ever observed, new data show

The last year was the earth's sixth-warmest on record, while the past seven years were among the warmest ever recorded, according to research released Thursday by NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

The NOAA analysis found that while Earth was slightly cooler than 2019 and 2020, 2021 was still among the warmest on record dating back to 1880.

Every year from 2013 to 2021 was among the ten warmest recorded years, and 2021 was the 45th consecutive year with global temperatures above the 20th century average, according to the agency. The average land and ocean surface temperature during the year was about 1.5 degrees above the 20th-century average.

So, who do you believe? Who do you trust. Just watch the Weather Channel. I don't think they are lying to us.

That still does not prove that mankind had anything to do with the change. Did mankind warm the earth enough to get us past the ice age?

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Maybe the dead elephants can explain how Global Warming is happening.

Or......we also see dead elephants that passed during the ice age. Does that indicate that since elephants are dying that the climate is cooling?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Yes, because "killing reef coral" is sooo important to our lifestyles....

More so than you know.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Aces4

I think the whole subject is a distraction. The real elephant in the room is the threat of nuclear war and no one will care what the temperature will be when that happens. Isn’t anyone listening to the development and testing occurring in unscrupulous countries. The scariest fact is those terrorists may already be entrenched among us.

There won't be anymore worry about global warming because the opposite will be evident....a nuclear winter. Then we'll be wishing for some global warming.

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Yes, because "killing reef coral" is sooo important to our lifestyles....

Don't embarrass yourself.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

All the scientific stuff is way above my pay grade, but it is obvious that there is a change. The bit I cannot get my head round is that it is man made.
80+ years ago when I was growing up in UK, the air quality was dire. Smog, smoke from coal fires, lead from car exhausts, it was a killer.
Now the air has never been cleaner, but the 'Greens' claim it is still our fault and conditions are getting worse! How?
That's what I find hard to even start to believe.

An article from today's BBC UK service.
The BBC are Climate change zealots.

What is climate change? A really simple guide - BBC News

Those that are happy about AIR that "has never been cleaner" need to thank the "greens" that fought the good fight to make the PUBLIC AWARE that the IC auto engine produces smog and carcinogens and lowers life expectancies. The "GREENS" stimulated public awareness to force / drive the US laws for smog control devices ending in cleaner AIR.

Most of us can thank them for our longer life expectencies.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Byte1

That still does not prove that mankind had anything to do with the change. Did mankind warm the earth enough to get us past the ice age?

Ice age, smice age! Quit recycling old red herrings.
Human kinds influence accelerated dramatically with the start of the industrial revolution and runaway population growth. This has been stated over and over. Humans are not, by themselves, causing global warming, BUT, we are making it far worse than it would be without us. And, no, I am not advocating doing away with humanity.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by skarra

Please pseudo-scientists, return to your armchairs and let us all listen to what the overwhelming majority of scientists are telling us - there is a significant and accelerating change in the climate and it is warming.

Where is this energy being stored? It’s in the oceans as you would expect if you think about it. One of the ways we see this is through the melting ice caps both at the polar regions and various countries with significant amounts of snow and ice.

The real question is how will this impact life? It could be positive or negative - that’s probably the real question once we accept the reality of the situation. Water levels are rising - is that a big problem? I’m not saying either way.

So we need to stop turning it into a political battle and start thinking of the consequences and what if anything we need or want to do about it. Eg if polar bears become extinct as a result do we really care given it doesn’t impact our daily lives? Or if there’s more hurricanes do I really care if I live in a part of the country that is rarely impacted by them? Life is certainly going to be different in many ways that we haven’t really thought through but that we now have little control over given the time it takes for this slow moving ship to change course.

Most people care about whether the Polar Bear goes extinct. And the Climate-caused deaths of Elephants and large mammals on TV today in Africa should be hateful and frightening to ALL HUMANS. The passenger pigeons are extinct now. They once darkened the skies of early America. They could have BEEN a good source of protein today. If mammals keep going extinct ........maybe man is not far behind. Today man is capable of destroying the livable environment of the earth (nuclear war) .........mankind needs to come to its senses and co-exist with the environment rather than trying to "conquer the environment" as the early US colonists talked about. Conquering MAY backfire in the FUTURE !

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Or......we also see dead elephants that passed during the ice age. Does that indicate that since elephants are dying that the climate is cooling?

You know better.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Aces4

I think the whole subject is a distraction. The real elephant in the room is the threat of nuclear war and no one will care what the temperature will be when that happens. Isn’t anyone listening to the development and testing occurring in unscrupulous countries. The scariest fact is those terrorists may already be entrenched among us.

That is another issue for another thread. Go for it.