[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

There is MUCH more to man-made Global Warming observations than simply AIR QUALITY improvement in the UK and the US. For one BIG FACTOR, there are double or triple the world population from 80 years ago. That BIG of a population change IS CONSIDERED BY most CLIMATE Scientists to have INCREASED the CO2 production which has produced the RAPID warming in recent years. The UK and the US simply OUTSOURCED their pollution and CO2 production in the last 80 years of our lifetimes to China and other 3rd world countries. The pollution drifts upward where we don't see it often, but it causes the RAPID WARMING of the planet. Also, Global Warming is considered a threat to US and 1st world industrial Corporations that have LOBBYISTS like for the OIL industry whose job it is to LIE to the American People. This started about 1980 and involves BIG money.

Today the Global Temperatures have increased more in the last eight years than in any similar period since 1880. Simply, the Industrial lobbyists have more money to spend on advertisement propaganda about Global Warming than Scientists have to spend on PR FOR Global Warming.

Another BIG factor is the cutting down of OLD GROWTH forest In the Amazon Rain Forest and other old-growth areas, which is needed to absorb the EXTRA CO2 and other pollutants produced by 1st world industry and IC auto engines. Those are some FACTORS that have change in the past 80 years.

Great post! Deserving of a second reading. Thanks!

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

Don't embarrass yourself.

Too late. He already did .... .

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Driller703

Is CO2 is heavier than air? If so, how is it ending up in the upper atmosphere.

Looked up a Columbia Climate School quote....."It is mainly DIFFUSION that allows CO2 to integrate at altitudes higher than its molecular weight ALONE would suggest - also UPDRAFT processes." My take........The earth gets warmer and there is MORE undrafted CO2 which is acting LIKE a blanket (layman's phrase) so MORE HEAT for the earth in a cycle that may reach or HAS reached a TIPPING POINT.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

Global temperatures in past seven years hottest ever observed, new data show

The last year was the earth's sixth-warmest on record, while the past seven years were among the warmest ever recorded, according to research released Thursday by NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

The NOAA analysis found that while Earth was slightly cooler than 2019 and 2020, 2021 was still among the warmest on record dating back to 1880.

Every year from 2013 to 2021 was among the ten warmest recorded years, and 2021 was the 45th consecutive year with global temperatures above the 20th century average, according to the agency. The average land and ocean surface temperature during the year was about 1.5 degrees above the 20th-century average.

So, who do you believe? Who do you trust. Just watch the Weather Channel. I don't think they are lying to us.

Great post.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

That is another issue for another thread. Go for it.

No thanks, I’m living my life for the moment. That’s all there is at this point. I’ll let the others chase unicorns.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Yes, because "killing reef coral" is sooo important to our lifestyles....

It means a lot if you are a scuba diver that enjoys the EXCEPTIONAL BEAUTY of a coral reef. Also, coral reefs are like the foundation or building block or feedstock of ALL the fish protein swimming in all the waters of the oceans. I assume that a lot of readers like to eat fish. So, YES, it is important.

[tuccillo]

There is a lot wrong in this post but I will only comment on the bigger picture. Don’t confuse weather with climate. Climate models are not trying to make the deterministic predictions of weather models. While both use the N-S equations on a rotating sphere plus diabatic processes, the application is different. Climate models are trying to capture the longer term trends.

Originally Posted by Maker

Many have problems with predictions of only doom and gloom. Assuming your temperature predictions are close, maybe that will lead to a much better world. More CO2 means more plant and tree growth. Additional new warmer regions become the best farm land in the history of the earth. As the population grows, newer more moderate areas will attract people to help reduce existing city overpopulation issues. If there is more precipitation, droughts will end. Virtually all predictions have a probability function.

Weather cycles are thousands of years long. Perhaps millions. Both warming and cooling. The speck of time is a blip on that scale. Weather forecasting is often still a 50/50 guess even 24 hours in the future. Predicting 100 years is impossible. Especially with the "long range" (3 to 6 month) forecasts being wrong more than they are right. There are too many unpredictable and unknown external factors that cause a shift.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

There is.................

Thanks!!!!

I'm jus sitting back enjoying your posts.

Reminds me of the days leading up to the hurricane a few years ago.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

It means a lot if you are a scuba diver that enjoys the EXCEPTIONAL BEAUTY of a coral reef. Also, coral reefs are like the foundation or building block or feedstock of ALL the fish protein swimming in all the waters of the oceans. I assume that a lot of readers like to eat fish. So, YES, it is important.

Agree! Right now corals are a little like the canary in the coal mine. The canary will die as an indication the air is poison. The coral dieoff is an indication the the oceans are not healthy for living things.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Most people care about whether the Polar Bear goes extinct. And the Climate-caused deaths of Elephants and large mammals on TV today in Africa should be hateful and frightening to ALL HUMANS. The passenger pigeons are extinct now. They once darkened the skies of early America. They could have BEEN a good source of protein today. If mammals keep going extinct ........maybe man is not far behind. Today man is capable of destroying the livable environment of the earth (nuclear war) .........mankind needs to come to its senses and co-exist with the environment rather than trying to "conquer the environment" as the early US colonists talked about. Conquering MAY backfire in the FUTURE !

Polar Bear fears are just a myth. Those bears are steady increasing, and for just $50,000 you can shot your own to help keep them under control ... Nunavut Territory Polar Bear Hunting - Worldwide Trophy Adventures

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Agree! Right now corals are a little like the canary in the coal mine. The canary will die as an indication the air is poison. The coral dieoff is an indication the the oceans are not healthy for living things.

With snorkel or Scuba when on a LIVING Coral Reef as soon as their head goes under the water........a fantastic 3D living light show begins.........the diver is surrounded by vibrant LIVING multicolored coral and on a good visibility day, they will see about 10,000 small brightly colored fish swimming in schools right next to them. You reach out to touch one and the fish and the school move effortlessly and slowly away from that touch as if in NO way do they resent your being there. You may see 3 or 4-lb fish swimming in the coral and protected by it. You WILL see barracuda - small ones around 1 foot long about I every 10 ft. From time to time, you will see a 4 ft long barracuda and you will NEVER forget it. The 2 rows of their deadly teeth move up and down with a scissor-like action and can be VERY intimidating. Many experienced divers will leave the water more often for a large barracuda than even a shark, which are rarely seen. Also rare, for me, was a closeup encounter with a large sea turtle, which are not aggressive, but beautiful in coloration and movement when underwater. There are also sea urchins and Moray Eels that are NOT beautiful and are to be AVOIDED..
........Diving in freshwater is a completely different experience - the fish are dull gray in color and fewer in number. They rapidly swim away from you. It is boring.

Because diving on a Goral Reef is such a SPECIAL fantasy world away from the surface world.........the divers are particularly saddened as THAT wonderful world is SLOWLY dying due to various pollutants such as EXCESS CO2 produced from man's overdependence on burning fossil fuels in IC engines. As long as you see tailpipe smoke from an automobile, a factory, an OIL drilling, or a forest fire you are seeing the demise of the coral reef and all the ocean life that depends on CORAL.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Polar Bear fears are just a myth. Those bears are steady increasing, and for just $50,000 you can shot your own to help keep them under control ... Nunavut Territory Polar Bear Hunting - Worldwide Trophy Adventures

And I guess we are to assume that the melting ice in the Arctic, OIL exploration, and mining operations for lithium......will all have ZERO negative effects on Polar bear populations.............RIGHT !
And I guess that I did not REALLY see over 100 elephants DEAD from lack of water due to Climate Change in Africa.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

With snorkel or Scuba when on a LIVING Coral Reef as soon as their head goes under the water........a fantastic 3D living light show begins.........the diver is surrounded by vibrant LIVING multicolored coral and on a good visibility day, they will see about 10,000 small brightly colored fish swimming in schools right next to them. You reach out to touch one and the fish and the school move effortlessly and slowly away from that touch as if in NO way do they resent your being there. You may see 3 or 4-lb fish swimming in the coral and protected by it. You WILL see barracuda - small ones around 1 foot long about I every 10 ft. From time to time, you will see a 4 ft long barracuda and you will NEVER forget it. The 2 rows of their deadly teeth move up and down with a scissor-like action and can be VERY intimidating. Many experienced divers will leave the water more often for a large barracuda than even a shark, which are rarely seen. Also rare, for me, was a closeup encounter with a large sea turtle, which are not aggressive, but beautiful in coloration and movement when underwater. There are also sea urchins and Moray Eels that are NOT beautiful and are to be AVOIDED..
........Diving in freshwater is a completely different experience - the fish are dull gray in color and fewer in number. They rapidly swim away from you. It is boring.

Because diving on a Goral Reef is such a SPECIAL fantasy world away from the surface world.........the divers are particularly saddened as THAT wonderful world is SLOWLY dying due to various pollutants such as EXCESS CO2 produced from man's overdependence on burning fossil fuels in IC engines. As long as you see tailpipe smoke from an automobile, a factory, an OIL drilling, or a forest fire you are seeing the demise of the coral reef and all the ocean life that depends on CORAL.

That's the typical narrative -- and now the data. Corals live in the warmest waters on earth. They look forward to a warmer earth, because when the earth was warmer and had more CO2, coral diversity was much greater. Plus, Figure 2 clearly shows Great Barrier Reef corals are at an all time high ... https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uplo...eid=2757d1864c

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

And I guess we are to assume that the melting ice in the Arctic, OIL exploration, and mining operations for lithium......will all have ZERO negative effects on Polar bear populations.............RIGHT !
And I guess that I did not REALLY see over 100 elephants DEAD from lack of water due to Climate Change in Africa.

Folks actually believe its melting because of propaganda. Come to the Weather Club and see actual government data showing there is no melting problem. Also, just ask the Eskimos who are worried about making living and feeding their kids -- all because there is TOO MUCH ICE ... Cruise ship cancellations disappoint Ulukhaktok residents, says mayor | CBC News

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by sounding

That's the typical narrative -- and now the data. Corals live in the warmest waters on earth. They look forward to a warmer earth, because when the earth was warmer and had more CO2, coral diversity was much greater. Plus, Figure 2 clearly shows Great Barrier Reef corals are at an all time high ... https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uplo...eid=2757d1864c

Go to NOAA and search "what is killing the oceans coral" if you would like to learn rather than just debate with your misinformation and red herrings (polar bears? Really?)