It means a lot if you are a scuba diver that enjoys the EXCEPTIONAL BEAUTY of a coral reef. Also, coral reefs are like the foundation or building block or feedstock of ALL the fish protein swimming in all the waters of the oceans. I assume that a lot of readers like to eat fish. So, YES, it is important.

There is a lot wrong in this post but I will only comment on the bigger picture. Don’t confuse weather with climate. Climate models are not trying to make the deterministic predictions of weather models. While both use the N-S equations on a rotating sphere plus diabatic processes, the application is different. Climate models are trying to capture the longer term trends.

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Thanks!!!!

I'm jus sitting back enjoying your posts.

Reminds me of the days leading up to the hurricane a few years ago.

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Agree! Right now corals are a little like the canary in the coal mine. The canary will die as an indication the air is poison. The coral dieoff is an indication the the oceans are not healthy for living things.

Polar Bear fears are just a myth. Those bears are steady increasing, and for just $50,000 you can shot your own to help keep them under control ... Nunavut Territory Polar Bear Hunting - Worldwide Trophy Adventures

With snorkel or Scuba when on a LIVING Coral Reef as soon as their head goes under the water........a fantastic 3D living light show begins.........the diver is surrounded by vibrant LIVING multicolored coral and on a good visibility day, they will see about 10,000 small brightly colored fish swimming in schools right next to them. You reach out to touch one and the fish and the school move effortlessly and slowly away from that touch as if in NO way do they resent your being there. You may see 3 or 4-lb fish swimming in the coral and protected by it. You WILL see barracuda - small ones around 1 foot long about I every 10 ft. From time to time, you will see a 4 ft long barracuda and you will NEVER forget it. The 2 rows of their deadly teeth move up and down with a scissor-like action and can be VERY intimidating. Many experienced divers will leave the water more often for a large barracuda than even a shark, which are rarely seen. Also rare, for me, was a closeup encounter with a large sea turtle, which are not aggressive, but beautiful in coloration and movement when underwater. There are also sea urchins and Moray Eels that are NOT beautiful and are to be AVOIDED..
........Diving in freshwater is a completely different experience - the fish are dull gray in color and fewer in number. They rapidly swim away from you. It is boring.

Because diving on a Goral Reef is such a SPECIAL fantasy world away from the surface world.........the divers are particularly saddened as THAT wonderful world is SLOWLY dying due to various pollutants such as EXCESS CO2 produced from man's overdependence on burning fossil fuels in IC engines. As long as you see tailpipe smoke from an automobile, a factory, an OIL drilling, or a forest fire you are seeing the demise of the coral reef and all the ocean life that depends on CORAL.

And I guess we are to assume that the melting ice in the Arctic, OIL exploration, and mining operations for lithium......will all have ZERO negative effects on Polar bear populations.............RIGHT !
And I guess that I did not REALLY see over 100 elephants DEAD from lack of water due to Climate Change in Africa.

That's the typical narrative -- and now the data. Corals live in the warmest waters on earth. They look forward to a warmer earth, because when the earth was warmer and had more CO2, coral diversity was much greater. Plus, Figure 2 clearly shows Great Barrier Reef corals are at an all time high ... https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uplo...eid=2757d1864c

Folks actually believe its melting because of propaganda. Come to the Weather Club and see actual government data showing there is no melting problem. Also, just ask the Eskimos who are worried about making living and feeding their kids -- all because there is TOO MUCH ICE ... Cruise ship cancellations disappoint Ulukhaktok residents, says mayor | CBC News

Go to NOAA and search "what is killing the oceans coral" if you would like to learn rather than just debate with your misinformation and red herrings (polar bears? Really?)

All these cause bleaching: Temperatures (too high and too low), Sunlight (too much and too little), salinity (too much and too little), pH (too high and too low), and others like too much fresh water, silt, and other chemicals. Bleaching is a temporary absence of algae which are ejected by the corals depending on water conditions -- and after which they wait for other algae to float by which better accommodate current conditions. If they can't find new algae after a length of time (depending on conditions) then the corals die -- adding to the already growing bedrock of reefs -- until new corals start growing again after conditions and algae availability changes. This is their life cycle -- it is normal -- and warmer waters and more CO2 are both beneficial to coral growth -- it is in the historic fossil record.

Better yet, go to the Arctic and Antarctic and see it for yourself instead of listening to some "guru" pandering to your belief in global conspiracy theories. Some of us have actually been places and have seen the damage to the melting glaciers, the damaged and dieing coral reefs, air so foul you can hardly breath.
Deny it all you want. Cling to whatever misinformation or manipulated data you wish. Sooner or later all the legitimate data will make anthropogenic climate change undeniable to any but the most fervent conspiracy theorists.

Why are polar bears increasing and why do they allow shooting them?

Great source. A for profit trophy hunting outfit trying to make a buck selling you the chance to kill a bear.

Why are the bears increasing and why do they allow hunting?

Trends
 

I agree that seven years is not a trend. I also believe one hurricane is not a trend (Ian is definitely climate change, say some). There are fewer hurricanes in the past 30 years, though some recently have held more water because the ocean is a little warmer. There is climate change (always), some is man made, and politicians choose whichever of the 33 common models looks the scariest for now in order to get people's votes and make us miserable (including some literal freezing and starvation coming soon in other countries) with attempting to stop fossil fuels entirely and as soon as possible. China is increasing coal and the West unable to offset them to any significant degree. We should do what we can without actions that will cause great harm (unable to heat houses, banning nitrogen fertilizer without which there will be some stavation, etc.)

Let's all fly to a far away country to discuss how bad climate change is.

Your CBS NEWS article is from “ CBC News · Posted: Sep 05, 2018 4:00 AM CT | Last Updated: September 5, 2018”

Funny! Who would have thought there might be icy conditions in areas above the arctic circle?

The fact that such a cruise would even be possible, that those areas might be free from ice long enough for the cruise, might be considered evidence in support of warming.

And why did the ice come back just 2 years after the so-called hottest July ever in 2016? Andy why are the Polar Bears increasing? And why did Al Gore's 2009 forecast for an ice-free North Pole by 2014 fail? And why is there more Arctic sea-ice now than when Al Gore made that fear-mongering forecast?

Oh good, another climate denier thread. Me, I prefer dog poop threads.

You already provided the answer to the hunting: $50,000.

As for the number increasing, don't know if that's even true and don't know what it has to do with warming. It's not difficult to imagine that the loss of normal habitat for the bears has forced them into new patterns and new areas that has led to a population increase. *IF* that is even the case.

I think the phrase for Brian is more like "pompous ass".

There is global warming -- we are still thawing out from the Little Ice Age.

But didn't you say we were in a seven year cooling trend and sea ice was increasing?

Let me try to put all this together:

The cruise was canceled because of the excess ice during a warming period while we are in a cooling trend where we are thawing out and sea ice is increasing.

Correct. The climate is composed of a complex series of warming and cooling cycles of varying amplitudes and frequencies. And, we are currently in a cooling Feynman cycle which is a long-term sunspot cycle. And, we are currently in a warming Eddy cycle which is a longer-term internal solar cycle. And, we are currently in a cooling Milankovitch cycle which is a very long term orbital forcing cycle. There are also others affecting us -- all of which are periodically reviewed in the weather club. All these cycles are easily found via many peer-reviewed studies. One more thing, CO2 is plant food and has never been proven to control any climate cycles.

Let me know when there is valid data to cast judgement on. 7 years is a nothing considering the age of this planet. every year is different, how can anyone say Ian is a 500 yr storm? wheres the data for the last 1500 years to prove it?

It's amazing this thread has been allowed to continue yet a great conversation on Social Security was shut down by the moderator after 20 posts. If this isn't political then I don't know what is. I'd like the moderator to please explain.........

Bear numbers world wide are fairly stable ... at the moment, it seems. But the bears habitat lose has made their hunting of their normal prey far more difficult. If they can't hunt their prey then, ? Bears can't order from "door dash".
As to the numbers. Years ago polar bears were put on the endangered species list, and their numbers came back. Now, a native group in northern Canada is willing to take trophy hunters out on native land (for $50,000) to kill a polar bear.
All in all, polar bear numbers are a result of being given protected status, NOT because the polar ice is not melting.

That's a deal. I'll be right here to report on the 8-year trend -- and so on. It's just data -- no judgements needed. Just one question though ... why is CO2 underperforming and allowing cooling to happen? Are we not making enough CO2? CO2 emissions are steadily increasing and yet we're not warming -- this is very disappointing.

The moderators don't have to explain. Their board, they decide who gets to play. I got dinged one morning for suggestin another poster could use another cup of coffee to wake them up. A joke the moderator thought was insulting. I didn't get it, but the moderators don't need to explain to us.

Of course the 10 year, 20 year, 150 year, and 4 year trends all show warming. And from the look of the trendline, I wouldn't have too much confidence in that eight year trend.

Whoa ... since when is temperature data and plant food political? Many want it to be political, but that's dangerous. Feynman saw it happening.

And why is CO2 underperforming?

Whoa, indeed! I never said it was. Were you attemting to respond to someone else?

Is it? Is the climate understood so well that we can look at one aspect of it and say it is underperforming?

Politicians using Global Warning for monetary gains

Industrialists and foreign governments denying Global Warming for "monetary gains"?

Choose your conspiracy and get in the game.

But the SCIENCE says CO2 is the control knob ... Just a moment... Is it also controlling global cooling?

Yes, and?