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jimjamuser 11-07-2022 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2155332)
That's the typical narrative -- and now the data. Corals live in the warmest waters on earth. They look forward to a warmer earth, because when the earth was warmer and had more CO2, coral diversity was much greater. Plus, Figure 2 clearly shows Great Barrier Reef corals are at an all time high ... https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uplo...eid=2757d1864c

I read that link. It is written by ONE Australian Scientist that got FIRED in 2018 and it looks like he is trying to discredit the Australian Institute of Marine Science by saying the opposite of what they (the NIMS) say, which is like all of the world's scientists say........ coral in all the reefs (including the great barrier reef) are dying due to acidification due to EXCESS CO2 in the ocean water.

Incidentally, EXCESS CO2 and acidification is also a factor that will hurt Polar Bear populations in the FUTURE. So EXCESS CO2 is NOT just a problem in the WARM parts of the ocean - it is all parts of all oceans. Recent INCREASES in Polar Bear populations are DUE TO HUNTING REGULATIONS. In the FUTURE their environment will be threatened by Global Warming and they will either adapt or DIE OUT. Just like the more than 100 elephants that could NOT adapt and DIED in Africa recently. Environmental decay is happening all over the earth, in the oceans and in the atmosphere....... which leads to recent increased species EXTINCTION. Humans seem to have problems living in HARMONY with each other and with the other creatures of the earth. It seems to be very near-sighted of them.

jimjamuser 11-07-2022 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2155356)
Why are polar bears increasing and why do they allow shooting them?

They are increasing ONLY RECENTLY because of increased hunting regulations and increased game management and conservation techniques. I imagine that some hunting is allowed so that money charged for the hunting permits can be used to preserve areas for the Polar Bears to OFFSET their LOSS of habitat due to Global Warming. Humans are TRYING to slow down the EXTINCTION of beautiful animal species brought about by Global Warming. But, it is like "spitting into the wind" as long as the earth is being ripped apart by EXCESS CO2 produced by IC engines and Industrial plants using coal in China and other countries (even the US).

sounding 11-07-2022 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2155603)
I read that link. It is written by ONE Australian Scientist that got FIRED in 2018 and it looks like he is trying to discredit the Australian Institute of Marine Science by saying the opposite of what they (the NIMS) say, which is like all of the world's scientists say........ coral in all the reefs (including the great barrier reef) are dying due to acidification due to EXCESS CO2 in the ocean water.

Incidentally, EXCESS CO2 and acidification is also a factor that will hurt Polar Bear populations in the FUTURE. So EXCESS CO2 is NOT just a problem in the WARM parts of the ocean - it is all parts of all oceans. Recent INCREASES in Polar Bear populations are DUE TO HUNTING REGULATIONS. In the FUTURE their environment will be threatened by Global Warming and they will either adapt or DIE OUT. Just like the more than 100 elephants that could NOT adapt and DIED in Africa recently. Environmental decay is happening all over the earth, in the oceans and in the atmosphere....... which leads to recent increased species EXTINCTION. Humans seem to have problems living in HARMONY with each other and with the other creatures of the earth. It seems to be very near-sighted of them.

Many years ago CO2 levels were 15 to 17 times greater than today and live thrived. More is better -- the historic record clearly shows this. When you study plant leaves, you'll see that today's plants have more Stoma in order to eat food. They need more Stoma because there is less CO2 in the air. Years ago, when CO2 levels were much higher, the leaves had less Stoma because the air was richer in CO2. This is just one of many examples of why more CO2 is better. Here are others ... https://co2coalition.org/facts/water...enhouse-gas-2/

jimjamuser 11-07-2022 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lindaelane (Post 2155414)
I agree that seven years is not a trend. I also believe one hurricane is not a trend (Ian is definitely climate change, say some). There are fewer hurricanes in the past 30 years, though some recently have held more water because the ocean is a little warmer. There is climate change (always), some is man made, and politicians choose whichever of the 33 common models looks the scariest for now in order to get people's votes and make us miserable (including some literal freezing and starvation coming soon in other countries) with attempting to stop fossil fuels entirely and as soon as possible. China is increasing coal and the West unable to offset them to any significant degree. We should do what we can without actions that will cause great harm (unable to heat houses, banning nitrogen fertilizer without which there will be some stavation, etc.)

This post makes some sense and details some problems and a need to go slowly to avoid further problems. But, like a lot of statements about problems about Global Warming, it fails to mention that which is probably the biggest factor in Global Warming..........the fact that the world population has grown from 1 Billion in 1880 to 8 Billion today!
.........Obviously, with a population like that, China and others are going to RESORT to the EXCESSIVE use of coal and other fossil fuels. So, then the CO2 becomes EXCESSIVE and the earth begins to be trashed. No one can legitimately say that Global Warming is NOT caused by MAN. If human population were NOT excessive, then CO2 would NOT be excessive and Global Warming would NOT be a problem......... we would NOT even need to discuss it.
.......The 3rd World blames the 1st World for Climate Change problems.......and they are right.......yet they also have overpopulation problems. India lies somewhere between a 1st and 3rd world nation. They are overpopulated. What are 1st world countries that are NOT overpopulated? Maybe Canada, Australia, and New Zealand?????

It seems to me like ALL these FACTORS are interrelated.

jimjamuser 11-07-2022 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2155498)
It's amazing this thread has been allowed to continue yet a great conversation on Social Security was shut down by the moderator after 20 posts. If this isn't political then I don't know what is. I'd like the moderator to please explain.........

Sorry, I don't see ANYTHING political about man-made Climate Change, which can't possibly be blamed on one party or another - it is a worldwide phenomenon (not just the US) and started about 1880 with the Industrial Revolution leading to more worldwide population and therefore more (and excessive) CO2 production.

jimjamuser 11-07-2022 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2155525)
Whoa ... since when is temperature data and plant food political? Many want it to be political, but that's dangerous. Feynman saw it happening.

I can agree with that post. I would even extend the idea to education.

jimjamuser 11-07-2022 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2155566)
Industrialists and foreign governments denying Global Warming for "monetary gains"?

Choose your conspiracy and get in the game.

Agreed. And industrialists that are "wedded" to fossil fuels are denying Global Warming. While some industrialists are making solar panels (hopefully more in the US and less in China). Some are making E-cars and E-bikes. Some are making home insulation and smart-home equipment. Even making more and better sailboats would be better than power boats.
.....Even living in the middle of Florida is better for the environment and people that living right on the coast.

fdpaq0580 11-07-2022 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2155642)
This post makes some sense and details some problems and a need to go slowly to avoid further problems. But, like a lot of statements about problems about Global Warming, it fails to mention that which is probably the biggest factor in Global Warming..........the fact that the world population has grown from 1 Billion in 1880 to 8 Billion today!
.........Obviously, with a population like that, China and others are going to RESORT to the EXCESSIVE use of coal and other fossil fuels. So, then the CO2 becomes EXCESSIVE and the earth begins to be trashed. No one can legitimately say that Global Warming is NOT caused by MAN. If human population were NOT excessive, then CO2 would NOT be excessive and Global Warming would NOT be a problem......... we would NOT even need to discuss it.
.......The 3rd World blames the 1st World for Climate Change problems.......and they are right.......yet they also have overpopulation problems. India lies somewhere between a 1st and 3rd world nation. They are overpopulated. What are 1st world countries that are NOT overpopulated? Maybe Canada, Australia, and New Zealand?????

It seems to me like ALL these FACTORS are interrelated.

It is not just population, but our cleverness at creating industries that destroy and poison our habitat. Old growth forest stripped and burned to make way for factories, freeways and plantations. The plantations fool the uneducated. Swap one tree for another, what's the problem? Old growth/rainforests were very effective converting CO2 into oxygen. The plantations (like coffee and other crops) that replaced them are seldom 10% as effective. 3rd world countries destroy habitat for poor farms, causing erosion allowing fertilizers and poisons and all sorts of pollutants into the rivers and seas.
Clever monkeys, we are. Too clever for our own good? We will have to wait and see. The smart ones are trying to warn the others and developing plans to help correct the damage already done. But some can't come to grips with it. Like the first breeze before the storm, there is a faint smell. The smell of seaweed cooking in the sun, perhaps? Earth is warming, and the cycle isn't "normal".

"They paved Paradise and put up a parking lot."
J. Mitchell

Byte1 11-07-2022 03:49 PM

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I wonder how much underwater volcanic eruptions have to do with polar ice melting. I know that any articles that do not conform to the idea of man's contribution to polar ice melting will be disputed and declared invalid, but just the same..........

West Antarctic Glacial Melting From Deep Earth Geological Heat Flow Not Global Warming - Climate Change Dispatch

Other graphs that would make a good comparison to climate changes in temps.:

sounding 11-07-2022 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2155668)
I wonder how much underwater volcanic eruptions have to do with polar ice melting. I know that any articles that do not conform to the idea of man's contribution to polar ice melting will be disputed and declared invalid, but just the same..........

West Antarctic Glacial Melting From Deep Earth Geological Heat Flow Not Global Warming - Climate Change Dispatch

Other graphs that would make a good comparison to climate changes in temps.:

Excellent information. Here is more up North (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_a0exADJtk) and here is more down South (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raR5YgFcIQQ).

Davonu 11-07-2022 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2155652)
…Some are making E-cars and E-bikes...

And we all know the E for these vehicles just appears out of thin air.

jimjamuser 11-07-2022 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2155669)
Excellent information. Here is more up North (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_a0exADJtk) and here is more down South (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raR5YgFcIQQ).

NASA can set this subject straight. Google NASA.....Global Climate change......And I QUOTE...."The HEAT welling up from the Earth's interior beneath ice sheets has NOTHING to do with the relatively rapid change in Climate over RECENT DECADES driven mainly by HUMAN EMISSIONS of greenhouse gases that warm the atmosphere."

" Heat sources from the deep earth can remain STEADY for 100 MILLION years. Human-driven Climate Change is occurring in mere decades or centuries."

jimjamuser 11-07-2022 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Davonu (Post 2155705)
And we all know the E for these vehicles just appears out of thin air.

The source of the electricity is a LARGE centrally located electric generating plant that may be getting its energy from, solar, wind, or waterfalls which are VERY CLEAN sources. The least clean source would be natural gas, which is a fossil fuel, but burns much cleaner than gasoline or diesel. And the generating plant can have SCRUBBERS much bigger and more efficient than the exhaust of thousands of individual moving cars and trucks.

Byte1 11-08-2022 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2155716)
NASA can set this subject straight. Google NASA.....Global Climate change......And I QUOTE...."The HEAT welling up from the Earth's interior beneath ice sheets has NOTHING to do with the relatively rapid change in Climate over RECENT DECADES driven mainly by HUMAN EMISSIONS of greenhouse gases that warm the atmosphere."

" Heat sources from the deep earth can remain STEADY for 100 MILLION years. Human-driven Climate Change is occurring in mere decades or centuries."

Are you speaking of the same NASA that has trouble launching one space craft, while private industry launches several successful launches in the same time period? :D

sounding 11-08-2022 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2155716)
NASA can set this subject straight. Google NASA.....Global Climate change......And I QUOTE...."The HEAT welling up from the Earth's interior beneath ice sheets has NOTHING to do with the relatively rapid change in Climate over RECENT DECADES driven mainly by HUMAN EMISSIONS of greenhouse gases that warm the atmosphere."

" Heat sources from the deep earth can remain STEADY for 100 MILLION years. Human-driven Climate Change is occurring in mere decades or centuries."

NASA? NASA is at the core of climate fraud ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Rc301T-hY

jimjamuser 11-08-2022 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2155749)
Are you speaking of the same NASA that has trouble launching one space craft, while private industry launches several successful launches in the same time period? :D

Well actually, I am speaking about the PROFESSIONAL and EXPERT Scientists with lifetimes of experience DEVOTED to UNDERSTANDING COMPLETELY the science of Climate Change. And I am thinking about how large and tall they TOWER intellectually over MERE local Village Climate-Deniers who study Climate by looking out their windows and saying, "I think the air LOOKS clean and I don't want to change my perfect life in any way and trade my old, smelly, polluting, gas golf cart for a modern electric one". They say, "CHANGE is a DIRTY WORD, I'll have none of that nonsense". Change frightens or bothers various people to a greater or lesser degree. They look to fake experts and false information (to be easily found on the internet) for JUSTIFICATION to be able to rationalize SCIENCE AWAY. Like, "Science is bad when it disagrees with my frozen-in-time ideas brought to me by LOUD lobbyists with unlimited budgets"!

sounding 11-08-2022 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2155832)
Well actually, I am speaking about the PROFESSIONAL and EXPERT Scientists with lifetimes of experience DEVOTED to UNDERSTANDING COMPLETELY the science of Climate Change. And I am thinking about how large and tall they TOWER intellectually over MERE local Village Climate-Deniers who study Climate by looking out their windows and saying, "I think the air LOOKS clean and I don't want to change my perfect life in any way and trade my old, smelly, polluting, gas golf cart for a modern electric one". They say, "CHANGE is a DIRTY WORD, I'll have none of that nonsense". Change frightens or bothers various people to a greater or lesser degree. They look to fake experts and false information (to be easily found on the internet) for JUSTIFICATION to be able to rationalize SCIENCE AWAY. Like, "Science is bad when it disagrees with my frozen-in-time ideas brought to me by LOUD lobbyists with unlimited budgets"!

The Nobel Prize winner, Richard Feynman, said "Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Name one "expert" who made a "climate change" prediction that verified.

jimjamuser 11-08-2022 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2155836)
The Nobel Prize winner, Richard Feynman, said "Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Name one "expert" who made a "climate change" prediction that verified.

Well, this expert was ONCE shot down by the OIL lobby and their BIG money in about 1980. but now his PREDICTIONS have come TRUE ..........you good friend and mine, please welcome the legendary ......Al Gore.
......And on the prior page #9, I quoted the official NASA statements of ALL their Scientists that TOWER above all deniers of Climate Change..... when NASA states that Climate Change IS CAUSED by MAN-MADE pollution that began with the Industrial Revolution and is slowly KILLING the earth's atmosphere and oceans.

Even a child like Greta Thunberg KNOWS that and decries what the world's current generation of OLD LEADERS is doing to KILL her FUTURE !!!!!!

Wake up WORLD ...........the reef Coral is dying......species are going extinct RAPIDLY........the world's upper atmosphere is polluted with methane, CO2, and other pollutants and the earth's surface temperature is rising rapidly and MAY be past dangerous TIPPING POINTS .......from which HUMAN migration and wars will develop and then there is NO turning back the environmental CLOCK.

Byte1 11-08-2022 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2155846)
Well, this expert was ONCE shot down by the OIL lobby and their BIG money in about 1980. but now his PREDICTIONS have come TRUE ..........you good friend and mine, please welcome the legendary ......Al Gore.
......And on the prior page #9, I quoted the official NASA statements of ALL their Scientists that TOWER above all deniers of Climate Change..... when NASA states that Climate Change IS CAUSED by MAN-MADE pollution that began with the Industrial Revolution and is slowly KILLING the earth's atmosphere and oceans.

Even a child like Greta Thunberg KNOWS that and decries what the world's current generation of OLD LEADERS is doing to KILL her FUTURE !!!!!!

Wake up WORLD ...........the reef Coral is dying......species are going extinct RAPIDLY........the world's upper atmosphere is polluted with methane, CO2, and other pollutants and the earth's surface temperature is rising rapidly and MAY be past dangerous TIPPING POINTS .......from which HUMAN migration and wars will develop and then there is NO turning back the environmental CLOCK.

AL Gore? He's a drunken sod that makes his money off of guppies by his grifting. Some folks would rather rely on others to shape their opinions because they have no common sense to make their own decisions based on common sense and real facts.

fdpaq0580 11-08-2022 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2155846)
Well, this expert was ONCE shot down by the OIL lobby and their BIG money in about 1980. but now his PREDICTIONS have come TRUE ..........you good friend and mine, please welcome the legendary ......Al Gore.
......And on the prior page #9, I quoted the official NASA statements of ALL their Scientists that TOWER above all deniers of Climate Change..... when NASA states that Climate Change IS CAUSED by MAN-MADE pollution that began with the Industrial Revolution and is slowly KILLING the earth's atmosphere and oceans.

Even a child like Greta Thunberg KNOWS that and decries what the world's current generation of OLD LEADERS is doing to KILL her FUTURE !!!!!!

Wake up WORLD ...........the reef Coral is dying......species are going extinct RAPIDLY........the world's upper atmosphere is polluted with methane, CO2, and other pollutants and the earth's surface temperature is rising rapidly and MAY be past dangerous TIPPING POINTS .......from which HUMAN migration and wars will develop and then there is NO turning back the environmental CLOCK.

"Name one blah blah". "Underwater volcanos". "NASA is the core of fraud". In my opinion, these are the words and thoughts of those who cannot or will not face up to reality because of fear of "loosing face" among their fellows. They will deny the reality until they have to tread water (poetic license), and then they will complain that "nobody ever told us". They try to "baffle with BS", the same BS that seems to dazzle them. They will denegrate, ridicule and defame well known and notable authorities in science, while clinging to and parroting the false wisdom of their chosen gurus. Attempts to discuss or enlighten are futile because they are truly "the blind who WILL NOT see".
Keep trying. Keep teaching. Some will want the truth and they will listen and learn. But, like the high school smart a$$'s that think they are "cool", some will just mess with you.

jimjamuser 11-08-2022 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2155926)
"Name one blah blah". "Underwater volcanos". "NASA is the core of fraud". In my opinion, these are the words and thoughts of those who cannot or will not face up to reality because of fear of "loosing face" among their fellows. They will deny the reality until they have to tread water (poetic license), and then they will complain that "nobody ever told us". They try to "baffle with BS", the same BS that seems to dazzle them. They will denegrate, ridicule and defame well known and notable authorities in science, while clinging to and parroting the false wisdom of their chosen gurus. Attempts to discuss or enlighten are futile because they are truly "the blind who WILL NOT see".
Keep trying. Keep teaching. Some will want the truth and they will listen and learn. But, like the high school smart a$$'s that think they are "cool", some will just mess with you.

Thanks, your post was well said and thoughtful. There is a lot of disinformation flying around here. Imagine how frustrated Greta Thunberg must be.......at her age up against a whole world of rich Climate deniers with an army of lobbyists behind them. Young ones like her have to fight the good fight and remember that they have ANALYSED the climate situation CORRECTLY and NOT get sidetracked by the NAYSAYERS.

I presented 2 short QUOTES from NASA Scientists that summarized the whole Climate situation and put away the lie or confusion about BOTH the underwater HEAT and the IMPOTENCE and meaninglessness of the argument involving
any 100 MILLION year factor. NASA Scientists have made the "drop-the-mike" argument about Climate Change. But, I feel certain that many would -be-local-scientists will reach out and pick up that mike.

Red Rose 11-08-2022 08:11 PM

Mother Nature is in charge. I'm glad it shows a cooling trend.

sounding 11-08-2022 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2155846)
Well, this expert was ONCE shot down by the OIL lobby and their BIG money in about 1980. but now his PREDICTIONS have come TRUE ..........you good friend and mine, please welcome the legendary ......Al Gore.
......And on the prior page #9, I quoted the official NASA statements of ALL their Scientists that TOWER above all deniers of Climate Change..... when NASA states that Climate Change IS CAUSED by MAN-MADE pollution that began with the Industrial Revolution and is slowly KILLING the earth's atmosphere and oceans.

Even a child like Greta Thunberg KNOWS that and decries what the world's current generation of OLD LEADERS is doing to KILL her FUTURE !!!!!!

Wake up WORLD ...........the reef Coral is dying......species are going extinct RAPIDLY........the world's upper atmosphere is polluted with methane, CO2, and other pollutants and the earth's surface temperature is rising rapidly and MAY be past dangerous TIPPING POINTS .......from which HUMAN migration and wars will develop and then there is NO turning back the environmental CLOCK.

Please quote the Al Gore climate change prediction that you refer too.

fdpaq0580 11-08-2022 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Rose (Post 2155984)
Mother Nature is in charge. I'm glad it shows a cooling trend.

Like your sarcasm. Very funny.

fdpaq0580 11-08-2022 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2155987)
Please quote the Al Gore climate change prediction that you refer too.

Why bother? You don't really care. I think you just like messing with people. If you want an Al Gore quote, go find one you like so you can make fun of it.
Pleasant dreams, my friend. 😴 🌎

sounding 11-08-2022 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2155992)
Why bother? You don't really care. I think you just like messing with people. If you want an Al Gore quote, go find one you like so you can make fun of it.
Pleasant dreams, my friend. 😴 🌎

Why claim that experts know how to forecast climate change if there are no verifiable examples? Al Gore got the Nobel Peace Prize for his forecasts. Which one verified -- if any?

MorTech 11-09-2022 12:39 AM

Don't worry! The "Climate Change" terrorist are going to starve you all to death very soon :)

fdpaq0580 11-09-2022 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2156021)
Don't worry! The "Climate Change" terrorist are going to starve you all to death very soon :)

Terrorist? Really? Resorting to insult because you don't like hearing a different point of view? A verbal tarring and feathering of those who seek to help is certainly dark ages mentality, imho. If we saw you were about to step on a snake and we warned you of the situation, would we be Snake Terrorists in your eyes? Sounds like it!

sounding 11-09-2022 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2156089)
Terrorist? Really? Resorting to insult because you don't like hearing a different point of view? A verbal tarring and feathering of those who seek to help is certainly dark ages mentality, imho. If we saw you were about to step on a snake and we warned you of the situation, would we be Snake Terrorists in your eyes? Sounds like it!

Those who visit Sri Lanka can confirm what happens when a country is forced to go green.

fdpaq0580 11-09-2022 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2155997)
Why claim that experts know how to forecast climate change if there are no verifiable examples? Al Gore got the Nobel Peace Prize for his forecasts. Which one verified -- if any?

You can Google it as easy as I can. Maybe even easier?

metalic 11-09-2022 09:04 AM

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No climate change here, then

Keefelane66 11-09-2022 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2156091)
Those who visit Sri Lanka can confirm what happens when a country is forced to go green.

That's what happens when a ruling majority invokes their religion, for reasons of religion and culture, the Buddhists and Hindus, who venerate cow, are opposed to beef and thus are against cow slaughter.

fdpaq0580 11-09-2022 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2156091)
Those who visit Sri Lanka can confirm what happens when a country is forced to go green.

And those who visit Alaska, Africa, Australia and The Great Barrier Reef, and many other places around the world can confirm the damage already done by changing nothing. We need to change our ways or things will get worse. It is past time to become part of the solution, rather than part of the problem.

Bill14564 11-09-2022 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2156091)
Those who visit Sri Lanka can confirm what happens when a country is forced to go green.

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2156099)
That's what happens when a ruling majority invokes their religion, for reasons of religion and culture, the Buddhists and Hindus, who venerate cow, are opposed to beef and thus are against cow slaughter.

I'm amazed that all the extra, beneficial CO2 in the air didn't cause the crops to grow even better!

Gotta wonder about some of the numbers. Crops decreased 20% when farmers let 33% of their land fallow. Some might see that as in increase per acre farmed. (must be due to the CO2)

sounding 11-09-2022 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2156096)
You can Google it as easy as I can. Maybe even easier?

I'm not the one claiming that experts can make accurate climate change forecasts. I'm just asking for examples. Problem is they don't exist -- false claims -- just like man-made climate change.

jimjamuser 11-09-2022 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2155997)
Why claim that experts know how to forecast climate change if there are no verifiable examples? Al Gore got the Nobel Peace Prize for his forecasts. Which one verified -- if any?

Al Gore got the Nobel Peace Prize because the whole world made that decision. The whole world was able to make that CORRECT decision because the WORLD was NON-BIASED. However, "back in the USA" the OIL COMPANIES and their lobbyists used their MONEY to control the NARRATIVE and push BIAS against Al Gore. That BIAS continues today in the form of CLIMATE DENIERS. But, to the DENIERS DISMAY, right and Science, over time, wins out over ignorance and BIAS.

fdpaq0580 11-09-2022 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2156110)
I'm not the one claiming that experts can make accurate climate change forecasts. I'm just asking for examples. Problem is they don't exist -- false claims -- just like man-made climate change.

The experts all around the world have already spoken but you deny their expertise and label truth as fraud because their finding don't go along with your preferred rhetoric. I want perfect teeth, but when my dentist finds a cavity I don't label him a fraud because I don't want to accept reality.

sounding 11-09-2022 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2156103)
And those who visit Alaska, Africa, Australia and The Great Barrier Reef, and many other places around the world can confirm the damage already done by changing nothing. We need to change our ways or things will get worse. It is past time to become part of the solution, rather than part of the problem.

As usual, more narrative, with no evidence to show CO2 caused anything, except to make earth greener. Where's the beef?

sounding 11-09-2022 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by metalic (Post 2156097)
No climate change here, then

That's what happens in the "desert" south-west when more and more people (espeically from other states) demand more and more water from a desert climate. Who knew.

fdpaq0580 11-09-2022 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2156132)
Al Gore got the Nobel Peace Prize because the whole world made that decision. The whole world was able to make that CORRECT decision because the WORLD was NON-BIASED. However, "back in the USA" the OIL COMPANIES and their lobbyists used their MONEY to control the NARRATIVE and push BIAS against Al Gore. That BIAS continues today in the form of CLIMATE DENIERS. But, to the DENIERS DISMAY, right and Science, over time, wins out over ignorance and BIAS.

Yes! But, will science triumph before it is too late?


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