[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

So you’re saying lithium ion better for environment. How do we know that. Lead acid batteries can be recycled some, byproduct disaster for the environment.

I'm saying if you are going to find a picture to make your point, find the right picture.

It's nice that lead acid batteries can be recycled but your picture would imply that is not happening.

A picture of a stack of lithium ion batteries would be applicable to this thread. Do you have one of those?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

I have never worn out gasoline engine in anything I’ve owned, but I know where the dipstick is and know when to change oil. On the other hand I’ve replace lots of batteries over the years. I had to buy lithium Ion for tools, they only have so many recharges in them before the loose volts.

Either the lithium batteries in golf carts will last over eight (maybe ten) years or the manufacturers will go broke satisfying their battery-life warranties.

[bcsnave]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

I have never worn out gasoline engine in anything I’ve owned, but I know where the dipstick is and know when to change oil. On the other hand I’ve replace lots of batteries over the years. I had to buy lithium Ion for tools, they only have so many recharges in them before the loose volts.

Oh geez....I ran to the dealer and felt pretty stupid looking at a new Star EV cart....I said he Topspinmo knows where the dip stick is and how to change the oil on one of these rascals......they kicked me out

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by bcsnave

Oh geez....I ran to the dealer and felt pretty stupid looking at a new Star EV cart....I said he Topspinmo knows where the dip stick is and how to change the oil on one of these rascals......they kicked me out

Some people need things to to be simple…

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Either the lithium batteries in golf carts will last over eight (maybe ten) years or the manufacturers will go broke satisfying their battery-life warranties.

Might want to read the fine print, probably pro rated?

Didn’t you say gas engines wear out in 10 years? 95 % don’t kept stuff that long, not even electric carts and cars. Have ask, how much would electric cart with lithium batteries be worth at end of their life cycle? Guess find out when try to trade them in. My money on the will be traded long before that due to cost of batteries which what 80% probably do anyway?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I'm saying if you are going to find a picture to make your point, find the right picture.

It's nice that lead acid batteries can be recycled but your picture would imply that is not happening.

A picture of a stack of lithium ion batteries would be applicable to this thread. Do you have one of those?

I didn’t post pictures, nor was this thread about lithium batteries only speculation. I know several recycle battery plants. Those piles of batteries are awaiting recycling. But, you knew that right…..

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by bcsnave

Oh geez....I ran to the dealer and felt pretty stupid looking at a new Star EV cart....I said he Topspinmo knows where the dip stick is and how to change the oil on one of these rascals......they kicked me out

6 Pages of Posts and I've yet to see a post by someone who owns a golf cart, without a battery.

Funny how all the gas owners are content to depend on a battery to get their Flintstone Vehicle going, but then want to toss battery power like they don't really need it.

I'm surprised no one seems concerned about sitting on 4-6 gallons of gas, with a battery right next to it, who's job it is, to get that gas engine ignited.

I was particularly impressed by the poster who's been able to remove the smell from the gas he uses. Must be a super higher octane or his cart is burning vegetable oil.

& to the poster who correctly pointed out the "smell" in the tunnels. The oder in gasoline comes from Benzene. Benzene smell is so strong, most folks can smell it, even if the concentration is only about 2 parts/million. Anyone who's close to gasoline and can't smell it, should get a Covid test.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Hi-jacked threads seldom happen on here.

Coral Bleaching anyone?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Might want to read the fine print, probably pro rated?

Didn’t you say gas engines wear out in 10 years? 95 % don’t kept stuff that long, not even electric carts and cars. Have ask, how much would electric cart with lithium batteries be worth at end of their life cycle? Guess find out when try to trade them in. My money on the will be traded long before that due to cost of batteries which what 80% probably do anyway?

I just sold my 2013 GAS Yamaha cart. It was running like a champ.

The only reason I sold it was because I wanted a QuieTech and more comfortable seats...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

6 Pages of Posts and I've yet to see a post by someone who owns a golf cart, without a battery.

Funny how all the gas owners are content to depend on a battery to get their Flintstone Vehicle going, but then want to toss battery power like they don't really need it.

I'm surprised no one seems concerned about sitting on 4-6 gallons of gas, with a battery right next to it, who's job it is, to get that gas engine ignited.

I was particularly impressed by the poster who's been able to remove the smell from the gas he uses. Must be a super higher octane or his cart is burning vegetable oil.

& to the poster who correctly pointed out the "smell" in the tunnels. The oder in gasoline comes from Benzene. Benzene smell is so strong, most folks can smell it, even if the concentration is only about 2 parts/million. Anyone who's close to gasoline and can't smell it, should get a Covid test.

The gas tank and the battery are on opposite sides of the cart...

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Might want to read the fine print, probably pro rated?

Didn’t you say gas engines wear out in 10 years? 95 % don’t kept stuff that long, not even electric carts and cars. Have ask, how much would electric cart with lithium batteries be worth at end of their life cycle? Guess find out when try to trade them in. My money on the will be traded long before that due to cost of batteries which what 80% probably do anyway?

Does not appear to be pro rated but you never know until you try to make a claim.

I didn't say engines wear out in 10 years, I said I didn't consider engine rebuilds or battery replacement.

It never occurred to me that you could trade in a golf cart. I expected when I was done with it I would hope that I wouldn't have to pay to have it hauled away. We'll find out in ten years or so.

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

I didn’t post pictures, nor was this thread about lithium batteries only speculation. I know several recycle battery plants. Those piles of batteries are awaiting recycling. But, you knew that right…..

I missed that it wasn't you who posted the picture. My apologies.

This thread is about a golf cart fire. Speculation was that it was caused by lithium batteries. The discussion then devolved into this.

No, I didn't see the "waiting for recycling sign" on the jumbled pile of batteries. This seems like an odd way to store them, out in the weather, jumbled pile, on their side and upside down... but I'm not in the recycling business.

[bcsnave]

Originally Posted by brianl99

6 pages of posts and i've yet to see a post by someone who owns a golf cart, without a battery.

Funny how all the gas owners are content to depend on a battery to get their flintstone vehicle going, but then want to toss battery power ......anyone who's close to gasoline and can't smell it, should get a covid test.

covid test.....naw....i'll just throw on a cloth mask...that'll save me and stop any benzene smell

[bcsnave]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I'm saying if you are going to find a picture to make your point, find the right picture.

It's nice that lead acid batteries can be recycled but your picture would imply that is not happening.

A picture of a stack of lithium ion batteries would be applicable to this thread. Do you have one of those?

No I don't but here is irrefutable proof in the picture that it is a Star EV...I think I can make out the logo on the back of the cart...but I had to squint a little bit..or clik and enlarge the photo

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

6 Pages of Posts and I've yet to see a post by someone who owns a golf cart, without a battery.

Funny how all the gas owners are content to depend on a battery to get their Flintstone Vehicle going, but then want to toss battery power like they don't really need it.

I'm surprised no one seems concerned about sitting on 4-6 gallons of gas, with a battery right next to it, who's job it is, to get that gas engine ignited.

I was particularly impressed by the poster who's been able to remove the smell from the gas he uses. Must be a super higher octane or his cart is burning vegetable oil.

& to the poster who correctly pointed out the "smell" in the tunnels. The oder in gasoline comes from Benzene. Benzene smell is so strong, most folks can smell it, even if the concentration is only about 2 parts/million. Anyone who's close to gasoline and can't smell it, should get a Covid test.

Batteries and staters on lawn mower engines are there for convenience.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Does not appear to be pro rated but you never know until you try to make a claim.

I didn't say engines wear out in 10 years, I said I didn't consider engine rebuilds or battery replacement.

It never occurred to me that you could trade in a golf cart. I expected when I was done with it I would hope that I wouldn't have to pay to have it hauled away. We'll find out in ten years or so.



I missed that it wasn't you who posted the picture. My apologies.

This thread is about a golf cart fire. Speculation was that it was caused by lithium batteries. The discussion then devolved into this.

No, I didn't see the "waiting for recycling sign" on the jumbled pile of batteries. This seems like an odd way to store them, out in the weather, jumbled pile, on their side and upside down... but I'm not in the recycling business.

The battery acid has been drained, they bring them in semi loads, they recycle the lead plates in batteries. It very toxic operation. They basically burn the rubber off and plates, all left big pile of lead that has to be broken up. The worker’s enter The smelter in what looks like space suits. They have to be blood test if I remember correctly at least monthly, maybe weekly for blood lead levels.

All the battery recycler’s have big lined slug pond which is highly toxic. I’m would want live within 10 miles of one.

Only certain stats allow them, usually in middle of now where. These states will all most except anything for the jobs. But, iMO will regret it down the road.