[Bilyclub]

Wow, a cut and paste of your post #39. Very creative. We don't care about your electric cart agenda no matter how many times you post it. Yamaha gas is still where it's at.

[bcsnave]

Originally Posted by Bilyclub

Wow, a cut and paste of you post #39. Very creative. We don't care about your electric cart agenda no matter how many times you post it. Yamaha gas is still where it's at.

call me stupid but.....studies have revealed that it actually requires more energy to produce an electric car than it does to produce a traditional one. Therefore, the manufacturing process of electric cars has a higher carbon footprint overall. This is mainly down to the materials needed.

The metals required to construct an electric car are more lightweight than those needed for traditional versions. However, manufacturing these high-performance metals requires a lot of energy, which feeds into the production process's overall carbon footprint.

On top of this, it's important to remember that electric cars still require a form of energy to function. So while using electricity to operate doesn't directly release fossil fuels, the production of the electricity itself most likely does.

[bcsnave]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

Anyone buying a gas cart is foolish. I have a 23 year old electric Club Car with 4 12v LiFePO batteries and can go all day and then some without a charge. Almost zero maintenance and very few parts to ever replace. A gas cart has tons of things to go wrong or need maintenance such as air filters, oil filters, belts, fuel injectors or carbs, timing, etc. Plus it requires trips to the gas station or storing flammable gas in a hot garage. My neighbor's cart leaked gas and oil in their garage and it stained the floor & still smells. I have passed many many broken down gas carts on the paths but never an electric cart. Most people are afraid of electric carts running out of juice but I can go from one end of TV to the other and back with battery power left over. Gas powered "everything" is going the way of the dinosaur. Go electric!

DHDALLAS - Please read this these electric carts can be unsafe https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...335-post1.html

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by Mike3461

Do you have a late model Club Car brand golf cart? Have you also owned Yamaha? What is your opinion of each?

If you have an older Club Car, is your longevity and repair experience acceptable?

Thank you.

We have three gas carts, a 2014 Yamaha EFI, a 2015 Club Car Precedent EFI, and a 2022 Yamaha Quiet Tech.

Based on our experience here are the key comparisons.

- The seating area in the Club Car is too small for taller individuals. I am 6’1” and find it uncomfortable. I have to duck my head to see below the roofline, the legroom is cramped, and it’s a pain in the butt to frequently get in and out of when golfing. My wife is only 5’2” and loves her club car, the seating configuration fits her better than the much more roomy Yamahas. I much prefer the Yamahas.
- The Subaru engine in the Club Car is easily the most powerful of the three, but is also the loudest and it burns noticeably more gas. It is significantly louder than the older Yamaha and doesn’t even compare to the Quiet Tech noise wise. Despite having more power, there is a delay between stepping on the gas and accelerating, but once it kicks in it really takes off.
- The steering on the club car is tighter and more responsive than the 2014 Yamaha, but not as good as the 2022 Quiet Tech which has rack and pinion steering.
- The Club Car takes the bumps the hardest and the Quiet Tech the smoothest, the 2014 Yamaha falls in between.
- The jury is still out on the Quiet Tech because it’s less than a year old and only has 110 hours on it. However, the 2014 Yamaha has been more reliable/maintenance free than the Club Car. In fact, the Yamaha has a perfect reliability record. Nothing besides regular maintenance except for a muffler rattle that was easily fixed with a couple hose clamps. We have had a few issues with the Club Car, nothing serious, just a pain to deal with.

Hope this helps.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by woolman44

I bought a CC Precedent new in 2008. I’ve replaced voltage regulator twice. I also had to replace front steering suspension bushings. Both repairs inexpensive DIY and not complicated. The 2008 CC has excellent Kawasaki engine with pressurized oil system with oil filter, which I think is better than Yamaha set up.
Bought new Yamaha 2018 Quiet Tech. No problems so far, but need to grease drive clutch frequently. I know multiple Villagers who have had issues with drive clutch. Front tire wear is also problematic due to toe-in. Suspension on Yamaha is more robust and better in my opinion than CC. Driving position and seat room much better than CC.

If you over grease the clutch you are creating problems. Kaw still lawn mower engines, you still have Change oil, filter or no filter.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by roscoguy

We had a refurbished 2012 Yamaha (non-QuieTech) gas cart & just bought a new Club Car Onward last year. The Club Car is fairly noisy, but so was the Yamaha until I installed some sound-deadening around the engine compartment. I haven't gotten around to doing the same thing to the CC yet.

I've noticed a couple of differences between the two: the CC is apparently geared lower, so it has more power available, like when climbing the bridge over 441. However, the Yamaha would easily go 25mph while the CC Kohler motor is turning pretty high rpm at the top speed of 19-20mph. You might be able to coax 1 or 2 more mph out of it, but I'm pretty sure that would be the max unless you overrode the rev limiter. It would also very likely void the warranty. Another thing I've noticed is that the CC has a tighter turning radius, which is kind of nice if I need to make a u-turn in the street or driveway.

I'm not crazy about the standard dash storage space or cup holders in the Club Car, but everything else is fine in my opinion. If noise or top speed is the main issue, the Yamaha QT wins. YMMV, but we paid less for the brand new CC than many local dealers were asking for refurbished/upgraded 2017 & 2018 Yamahas.

CC are made cheaper so naturally they will be cheaper, nothing wrong with that if entry level meets your needs.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Southwest737

I personally will not buy a lithium ion battery due to the risk of fire. No matter how you spin it, if it catches fire, you can't put it out yourself as its a chemical fire, and very hot and very long burning

When was the last time a lithium powered cart burned up in TV? Never? I have seen a few gasoline powered carts burn.[/QUOTE]

They haven’t been around very long. Ask that question in 5 more years.

[bcsnave]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

When was the last time a lithium powered cart burned up in TV? Never? I have seen a few gasoline powered carts burn.

They haven’t been around very long. Ask that question in 5 more years.[/QUOTE]

You need to see this ...just 2 months ago... https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...959-post1.html

[bcsnave]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

When was the last time a lithium powered cart burned up in TV? Never? I have seen a few gasoline powered carts burn.

They haven’t been around very long. Ask that question in 5 more years.[/QUOTE]

Why ..why..why

[Pairadocs]

[QUOTE=Mike3461;2220013]Do you have a late model Club Car brand golf cart? Have you also owned Yamaha? What is your opinion of each?

If you have an older Club Car, is your longevity and repair experience acceptable?

Unfortunately those of us who answer will be so diversified you probably won't get much help, but here goes. Our new Club Car Tempo was delivered a mo. ago. Our trade in, an 18 year old Club car was running
great the day they picked it up and brought the new one. Over the years we've had most popular brands, EZ-Go, Yamaha, etc. and way back, I mean WAY back, one no longer made, a Harley Davidson ! Only one electric and that was enough for us (one electric EZ-Go), but to each their own. That is not the topic here, gas versus electric. We bought a club car again because the 18 year old one was just a work horse with only minimum maintenance... ALL done at home. Twice a year oil and filter and a new gas filter. In all those years, and all those rounds of golf, replaced the tires ONCE, and the new set did cost much more and wore out MUCH faster ! Replaced the battery ONCE in 18 years and the spark plug twice ! At the time we bought the new one a month ago, it did need more than "home maintenance" as the turn signal was not working and oil and filter is about as far as our skills go. Club car is the only one we've ever had through our whole life that took so little maintenance and ran perfectly. Relative in the field of course design and construction, who travels the country and beyond, told us that is why you will always find more golf courses whose fleets are Club Car than any of the other brands. He readily admitted the others are just fine, but Club Car is the choice of more fleets at courses due to its ability to withstand super hard wear from all manner of drivers who do some crazy things with the carts and yet still go on and on and on. No real negatives about the other brands we've owned, but the EZ-Go electric was just not for us. The Yamaha was just "okay", required more professional (expensive) maintenance for all kinds of "this and that" little annoyances but would not "bad mouth" Yamaha at all. It's just the amazing amount of abuse and neglect a Club Car tolerates that keeps us loyal...LOL !

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by NoMo50

Huh? Not here in The Villages, it isn't.

Definitely NOT on most of the golf courses in the whole country either. A few fleets of electric but few and far between !

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

Anyone buying a gas cart is foolish. I have a 23 year old electric Club Car with 4 12v LiFePO batteries and can go all day and then some without a charge. Almost zero maintenance and very few parts to ever replace. A gas cart has tons of things to go wrong or need maintenance such as air filters, oil filters, belts, fuel injectors or carbs, timing, etc. Plus it requires trips to the gas station or storing flammable gas in a hot garage. My neighbor's cart leaked gas and oil in their garage and it stained the floor & still smells. I have passed many many broken down gas carts on the paths but never an electric cart. Most people are afraid of electric carts running out of juice but I can go from one end of TV to the other and back with battery power left over. Gas powered "everything" is going the way of the dinosaur. Go electric!

No disrespect, but sure hope you are wrong ! Watched the CEO of Ford, who decided to take a new Ford electric vehicle on a cross country vacation. Did you happen to see him on the news ? I was STUNNED he was so honest ! Said it was a night mare and that it really helped him understand why many people are so negative about their electric autos. Golf carts a different story, but sure hope your prediction is erroneous, had many golf carts, but only one electric, one way enough for us. But to each their own. We all have things that are most important to us. We've found an oil change and a filter a nothing burger, about 10-15 min. twice a year. Compared to what we paid for batteries and the way the meter would "spin" while it charged, it was just not practical for us. We don't actually keep gasoline in the garage... except in our auto...LOL... but the gas cart we find much more practical than the electric we had. Good thing there are many choices and brands !

[bcsnave]

Originally Posted by Pairadocs

No disrespect, but sure hope you are wrong ! Watched the CEO of Ford, who decided to take a new Ford electric vehicle on a cross country vacation. Did you happen to see him on the news ? I was STUNNED he was so honest ! Said it was a night mare and that it really helped him understand why many people are so negative about their electric autos. Golf carts a different story, but sure hope your prediction is erroneous, had many golf carts, but only one electric, one way enough for us. But to each their own. We all have things that are most important to us. We've found an oil change and a filter a nothing burger, about 10-15 min. twice a year. Compared to what we paid for batteries and the way the meter would "spin" while it charged, it was just not practical for us. We don't actually keep gasoline in the garage... except in our auto...LOL... but the gas cart we find much more practical than the electric we had. Good thing there are many choices and brands !

I am with you on this, as I do my own maintenace. Even if I paid someone to oil change, plug, air filter, and valve adjust for $160/yr...I will be long gone before I ever make up the cost of replacing batteries every 7 years. (People say Lithium last 10 years but I remember LED light bulbs were supposed to last 25...I replace some every couple of years)

[bcsnave]

Originally Posted by Pairadocs

No disrespect, but sure hope you are wrong ! Watched the CEO of Ford, who decided to take a new Ford electric vehicle on a cross country vacation. Did you happen to see him on the news ? I was STUNNED he was so honest ! Said it was a night mare and that it really helped him understand why many people are so negative about their electric autos. Golf carts a different story, but sure hope your prediction is erroneous, had many golf carts, but only one electric, one way enough for us. But to each their own. We all have things that are most important to us. We've found an oil change and a filter a nothing burger, about 10-15 min. twice a year. Compared to what we paid for batteries and the way the meter would "spin" while it charged, it was just not practical for us. We don't actually keep gasoline in the garage... except in our auto...LOL... but the gas cart we find much more practical than the electric we had. Good thing there are many choices and brands !

@Pairadocs ...Mmmmm..I like nothing burgers with cheese

[bcsnave]

Originally Posted by bcsnave

@Pairadocs ...Mmmmm..I like nothing burgers with cheese

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