[toeser]

Originally Posted by Black Beauty

We own a 2020 Yamaha...how much pollution does it create?

I can't speak to your model specifically, but in total, gas golf carts in TV produce an enormous amount of pollution (including mine).

I bike seven days a week, mostly on the multimodal paths. My bikes accumulate a greasy black coating on both the tires and frame. Just touching my bike when it has not been recently cleaned leaves my fingers all black. I worry about the effect on my lungs.

I do a similar amount of riding in a northern state, and my bikes there never build up this kind of exhaust crud.

[ahrens fox]

Right on. !!!!!

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Interesting premise. Not sure I agree...

I'm going to start a poll. Let's see what the numbers say...

Edit: Can anyone find a link that let's you add a poll?

I thought there were one or two polls on this about a year ago. If I can find them.....

I'm not sure what the best selling cart in the Villages is these days. All I'm saying is that there must be a lot of non-Yamahas being sold if there are enough of them on the trails to be noticeable.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I thought there were one or two polls on this about a year ago. If I can find them.....

I'm not sure what the best selling cart in the Villages is these days. All I'm saying is that there must be a lot of non-Yamahas being sold if there are enough of them on the trails to be noticeable.

Well, I first became aware of some of them when you couldn't buy a Yamaha gas cart at any of the stores.

But I still see the Yamahas outweighing the others by 10:1...

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I thought there were one or two polls on this about a year ago. If I can find them.....

I'm not sure what the best selling cart in the Villages is these days. All I'm saying is that there must be a lot of non-Yamahas being sold if there are enough of them on the trails to be noticeable.

That’s not because of demand, it’s a supply shortage issue.
Long waits for a new quiet tech, but you can drive off the lot this afternoon with a new electric cart.

[dtennent]

Here is a EPA reference for pollution from nonroad compression ignition engines.

https://nepis.epa.gov/Exe/ZyPDF.cgi?Dockey=P100OA05.pdf

A Yamaha gas golf cart has an 11.4 HP engine which would equate to about 8.5 KW. Based on this table using the row for 8 to 19 KW engines, you would expect to see:
56.1 g/hr of CO,
63.75g/hr of NOx, and
3.4g/hr of particulate matter.

This is for new engines which are in excellent running order. Engines that are not tuned properly or have substantial wear will have different numbers. None of this talks about unburned hydrocarbons of which a good bit is benzene.

Hope this helps.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

That’s not because of demand, it’s a supply shortage issue.
Long waits for a new quiet tech, but you can drive off the lot this afternoon with a new electric cart.

I have no idea how many quiet techs were available last October. I know there were a bunch on the showroom floor. But that didn't matter, I was looking for an electric cart.

I can't speak for others (though I can guess) but in my case it was 100% about demand.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by toeser

I can't speak to your model specifically, but in total, gas golf carts in TV produce an enormous amount of pollution (including mine).

I bike seven days a week, mostly on the multimodal paths. My bikes accumulate a greasy black coating on both the tires and frame. Just touching my bike when it has not been recently cleaned leaves my fingers all black. I worry about the effect on my lungs.

I do a similar amount of riding in a northern state, and my bikes there never build up this kind of exhaust crud.

Please define "an enormous amount". How much is that????? How does it compare to say a riding lawnmower, a weed trimmer, a car, a bus, a jet or a Space X rocket???? Or, and this is far more likely, it is a personal opinion based on absolutely nothing factual whatsoever.

[Footer]

Originally Posted by TomPerry

My golf car gets about 35 miles to the gallon. At 2.5 hours per week, at 20 miles per hour, it would consume about 74 gallons per year, and at 6 pounds per gallon, it would consume about 445 pounds of gasoline per year, maximum! How can 445 pounds of gasoline produce 1,474 pounds of CO2???? Fake news!!!!

Use your high school chemistry. Gasoline is C8H18. It takes 12.5 oxygen molecules (O2) for perfect combustion to 8 CO2 molecules and 9 water molecules (H2O). Carbon molecular weight is 12, Oxygen 16, Hydrogen 1. You can do the math yourself but 1 gasoline molecule is 114 and 8 CO2 molecules are 352. So it takes 477 pounds of gasoline to generate 1474 pounds of CO2, which is not far off from your off-the-cuff estimate. In practice, a small amount of CO is produced so the theoretical amount of CO2 is slightly less, but it's definitely not fake news.

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

No, but they're allowed INSIDE the passenger compartment.

Perhaps you should check the regulations, but I believe the FAA also prohibits "containers of gasoline" from being checked as luggage.

Of course, keeping a few gallons of gas in your garage, shouldn't be of any concern to your family.

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Well, I first became aware of some of them when you couldn't buy a Yamaha gas cart at any of the stores.

But I still see the Yamahas outweighing the others by 10:1...

A lot of the golf carts you see out there are older which reflects the "what it was".
Last year when I bought my golf cart from golf carts in the villages they said 40% of the golf carts they sell are Lithium electric. Since Yamaha does not make a lithium powered golf cart that is readily sold here in the villages you have to assume that the numbers are trending away from Yamaha.

[bgnn54]

If CO2 causes the green house atmosphere, i.e. global warming. Then why is Mars so cold as the majority of it's atmosphere is CO2?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by bgnn54

If CO2 causes the green house atmosphere, i.e. global warming. Then why is Mars so cold as the majority of it's atmosphere is CO2?

Is this a serious question or another attempt to dispute the effect of CO2 as a greenhouse gas? If the former then start by realizing there are far more differences than similarities and the differences matter.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

A lot of the golf carts you see out there are older which reflects the "what it was".
Last year when I bought my golf cart from golf carts in the villages they said 40% of the golf carts they sell are Lithium electric. Since Yamaha does not make a lithium powered golf cart that is readily sold here in the villages you have to assume that the numbers are trending away from Yamaha.

Or... The supply chain for the Yamaha Drive2 was still lagging...

When I first settled on my home in TV (in February 2021), the stores were full of Yamahas.

6 months later, when I was looking to buy a cart, there were barely any available...

We wound up buying a really clean used cart (which probably was for the best, since we're still part timers)... Why spend all that $$$ on a new cart just to have it sit...

When we make the big move (hopefully around this time next year), we'll consider replacing the cart with a newer one. We'll try the new electrics vs the new Yamahas and make our decision...

But right now, I'm leaning towards a 2019 or newer Quietech...

[merrymini]

Anyone who states that battery power does not have pollution issues is dreaming. However, they win the fight when it comes to “emissions.” They use electricity for charging, from power plants that burn fossil fuels. That being said, I own an electric golf cart and love it. I have also owned a Tesla and loved that. There is no way to go totally electric, it just is not feasible. So it looks like it will be a side by side use issue. Why should it be one against the other?