[chacam]

Well now, she didn't say roads, she said multi modal paths ! ! ! Again, what law ? ?

[pooh]

Originally Posted by chacam

Well now, she didn't say roads, she said multi modal paths ! ! ! Again, what law ? ?

I realize she didn't say roads and I stated that the law is for carts on Florida roads....but if you look at the definition of what a golf cart is here.......

Is there a specific law for the paths? Haven't found one yet, but did find a report about the number of accidents north of 466 involving carts. Have to look specifically at where the accidents happened. The report stated a three year period, 2006 to 2009.

Honestly, if someone is driving their cart at 25 mph on the cart path and cause an injury to me or any of those riding in my cart because of their speed, I'd take legal action against them. If they have this need for speed, get a street legal cart and drive it on the roads. Personally, it's not something I'd want to do....cars are much heavier than any street legal cart.

If I can't find a specific law regarding the speed on the multimodal paths, then there should be something specific about it since those paths are used by many, including walkers and joggers.

Back to searching.

[redwitch]

Chacam, my reference to multi-modal paths was not in regard to the private ones, but the ones that adjoin streets such as those north of 466 on Morse. Sorry that became such an issue to you.

[redwitch]

As to why people in retirement communities speed, whether in car, cart or whatever -- there could be several reasons. A storm is coming and you're racing to get home to not get caught in the lightning, especially in a cart. You're late for an appointment, a game, whatever. A friend or relative needs you NOW. Illness. You have an inherent lead foot.

[pooh]

Originally Posted by redwitch

As to why people in retirement communities speed, whether in car, cart or whatever -- there could be several reasons. A storm is coming and you're racing to get home to not get caught in the lightning, especially in a cart. You're late for an appointment, a game, whatever. A friend or relative needs you NOW. Illness. You have an inherent lead foot.

I understand that, but when I've seen speeders, it's been people with golf clubs on their carts, talking and laughing. They don't appear to be rushing for any other reason than driving fast. I could be wrong, but my gut feeling is, I'm not. That doesn't make me right, gut feelings are less than proof....

Honestly, I'm always giving drivers the benefit of the doubt when I see cars driving faster than they should, and I don't know why I feel differently about carts.

Maybe I'm more upset about people driving recklessly....and to me, driving at speed on the multimodal paths is reckless.

[Halle]

Originally Posted by pooh

I realize she didn't say roads and I stated that the law is for carts on Florida roads....but if you look at the definition of what a golf cart is here.......

Is there a specific law for the paths? Haven't found one yet, but did find a report about the number of accidents north of 466 involving carts. Have to look specifically at where the accidents happened. The report stated a three year period, 2006 to 2009.

Honestly, if someone is driving their cart at 25 mph on the cart path and cause an injury to me or any of those riding in my cart because of their speed, I'd take legal action against them. If they have this need for speed, get a street legal cart and drive it on the roads. Personally, it's not something I'd want to do....cars are much heavier than any street legal cart.

If I can't find a specific law regarding the speed on the multimodal paths, then there should be something specific about it since those paths are used by many, including walkers and joggers.

Back to searching.

I'm searching too and I agree with you that there should be a posted speed limit on the multi-modal trails, there is one on the bridge on Morse but I have not found any other posted speed limits. I know most if not all of the neighborhoods south of 466 have a posted speed limit of 15mph.

I have read several post where it is recommended to use common sense, my common sense is I don't believe it is safe to drive a vehicle designed to go 14mph per hour 25mph. It is obvious from the number of post that condone exceeding the speed that defines a golf cart as a golf cart that my common sense and theirs are very different.

I feel fortunate that Florida Law allows us to drive 19.8 in our golf carts and don't want to lose that privilege.

[pooh]

Originally Posted by Halle

I'm searching too and I agree with you that there should be a posted speed limit on the multi-modal trails, there is one on the bridge on Morse but I have not found any other posted speed limits. I know most if not all of the neighborhoods south of 466 have a posted speed limit of 15mph.

I have read several post where it is recommened to use common sense, my common sense is I don't believe it is safe to drive a vehicle designed to go 14mph per hour 25mph. It is obvious from the number of post that condone exceeding the speed that defines a golf cart as a golf cart that my common sense and theirs are very different.

I feel fortunate that Florida Law allows us to drive 19.8 in our golf carts and don't want to lose that privilege.

It is a privilege, Halle, and it can be revoked by the county for their roads. We'd be seriously limited in our travels if we were unable to drive on roads with cart lanes here in TV. Would it happen? Probably not, TV provides too much $$ to county coffers. Legally it could happen, though.

[red tail]

the speed limit on rio grande is 25mph...the next time you pass a golf cart on that road look down at your speedometer and see how fast you are going!!!!!

[pooh]

Originally Posted by red tail

the speed limit on rio grande is 25mph...the next time you pass a golf cart on that road look down at your speedometer and see how fast you are going!!!!!

I remember our first visit to TV in 2005. We were driving on a major road north of 466 (can't remember which) and there was a golf cart on one of the cart paths. We were driving at 25mph (we checked) and that cart just moved right by us. It was going faster than 25 that particular time.

With all the talk about golf cart speeds, you're right, we do need to remember there are speed limits for autos around here, too.

[jebartle]

I'm not sure as a street legal owner you can rationalize the added insurance, tagging etc.charge for 5 mph extra but in some areas of the Villages where cart paths narrow (Morse Blvd. bridge), I feel safer on the street, go figure!!! Was surprised that some Villagers are upset when street leglsl use cart path, thought I was being courteous to cars that might want to go the 35 mph speed.....Besides, lets face it, there are a LOT of carts out there that are not tagged street legal that exceed 25 mph,

[pooh]

Originally Posted by jebartle

I'm not sure as a street legal owner you can rationalize the added insurance, tagging etc.charge for 5 mph extra but in some areas of the Villages where cart paths narrow (Morse Blvd. bridge), I feel safer on the street, go figure!!! Was surprised that some Villagers are upset when street leglsl use cart path, thought I was being courteous to cars that might want to go the 35 mph speed.....Besides, lets face it, there are a LOT of carts out there that are not tagged street legal that exceed 25 mph,

I'll admit to being scared when I have to drive over the bridge on Morse. It's narrow and too many people don't obey the posted speed limit there. When there is no golf cart traffic coming towards me, I ride in the middle. When I see another cart, it's over to my lane and an additional decrease in speed. Honestly, I'd feel safer in the traffic there, too.

Actually, one thing I think might could play some part in the need to drive faster....so many have arrived here from areas where driving to and from work was horrific. Some arrive having left traffic from large cities and aggressive driving is more the norm than not. When arriving here, old habits die hard. It takes a while to adjust to driving a bit slower. We left the CA freeway system....a nightmare to say the least. Others could have left the Chicago highway system....that is beyond comprehension and don't even talk about New York, Washington DC, etc. Life in, and the surroundings in TV, beautiful. It's nice to just take a bit of time to enjoy them.

Question.....when you do take the multimodal paths, do you watch your speed? I don't have any problem with street legals on the paths, I just hope they keep the speed down because of walkers, joggers, cyclists, etc.

You're right, there are MANY carts that exceed the golf cart definition speed limit. They're not driving them in the traffic lanes, maybe they think that allows them the right to drive faster than the state allows since they're in the cart lane and not in the flow of vehicles.

[jebartle]

Originally Posted by pooh

I'll admit to being scared when I have to drive over the bridge on Morse. It's narrow and too many people don't obey the posted speed limit there. When there is no golf cart traffic coming towards me, I ride in the middle. When I see another cart, it's over to my lane and an additional decrease in speed. Honestly, I'd feel safer in the traffic there, too.

Actually, one thing I think might could play some part in the need to drive faster....so many have arrived here from areas where driving to and from work was horrific. Some arrive having left traffic from large cities and aggressive driving is more the norm than not. When arriving here, old habits die hard. It takes a while to adjust to driving a bit slower. We left the CA freeway system....a nightmare to say the least. Others could have left the Chicago highway system....that is beyond comprehension and don't even talk about New York, Washington DC, etc. Life in, and the surroundings in TV, beautiful. It's nice to just take a bit of time to enjoy them.

Question.....when you do take the multimodal paths, do you watch your speed? I don't have any problem with street legals on the paths, I just hope they keep the speed down because of walkers, joggers, cyclists, etc.

You're right, there are MANY carts that exceed the golf cart definition speed limit. They're not driving them in the traffic lanes, maybe they think that allows them the right to drive faster than the state allows since they're in the cart lane and not in the flow of vehicles.

I try to behave myself when in the golf cart path, BUT if I come across a 13 mph cart, I've GOT to pass it, sorry!...Some one suggested a minimum speed limit, is there one for golf carts? Like earlier posted, carts are being ticketed for excess speed, this works for awhile...

[pooh]

Originally Posted by jebartle

I try to behave myself when in the golf cart path, BUT if I come across a 13 mph cart, I've GOT to pass it, sorry!...Some one suggested a minimum speed limit, is there one for golf carts? Like earlier posted, carts are being ticketed for excess speed, this works for awhile...

Saw nothing about minimum speed for carts, and I agree with you about passing a cart going extremely slowly. The rental carts from Villages Golf Cars are really, really slow. Not sure why. Maybe they're slow so you can better see what you'll get if you live here....

[Shimpy]

Originally Posted by Tom Hannon

FunFan is right... What's the rush?"

It's not like we have to go to work tomorrow morning.

Maybe somebody is rushing to the nearest bathroom??? Maybe they need medical attention and don't have a cell phone??? Just because we're retired doesn't mean there's never a reason to be in a rush.

[BBQMan]

Any discussion of minimum and maximum speeds on multimodal paths ignores the fact that these are multimodal. The paths are used by walkers, runners, cyclists, rollerbladers, motorized chairs, segways, golf carts, LSVs, motor scooters and a few more categories I'm sure I have forgotten. Identical minimum and maximum speeds could not apply to all methods of transportation.

LSVs, built from the ground up for 25mph speeds can safely be driven at that speed. Segways max speed is 12mph. Bicycles and motor scooters can exceed 30mph. I suggest what I see done every day - people using their own common sense on how fast or slow they go. Putting in more rules and having more people to enforce them is just going to result in more people being aggravated - getting more aggravation in my life was not my reason for moving to The Villages.