[MX rider]

Originally Posted by phylt

All true - BUT LFP (Lithium Iron Phosphate)batteries on EVs, like our Tesla, CAN, and SHOULD be charged to 100%. Tesla states to Charger to 100% at least once per week to maintain battery health - this is for LFP primarily. The reason to charge an LFP battery to 100% once a week is to recalibrate the Battery Management System and to balance the charge across all the cells. The voltage of an LFP cell varies very little between 90% and 100%, so the BMS needs an occasional 100% charge to recalibrate.

SAME for our Custom Drive Lithium Cart. Simply plug it in and forget it. The battery management system does it all.

Shame on you for bringing actual real world experience and facts to the discussion!
Don't you know we have some regulars on here that are too smart for that bs. lol

Bottom line, with almost all the newer ev's you just plug them in and forget it. As you said, the charging system manages it. Just like a big Battery tender, they've been around forever.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by phylt

Yes, your postings were FUD (fear/uncertainty/doubt) re LITHIUM. Not ready for prime time, the hazards, the incorrect range etc etc, Yeah pretty simple.

So many posts here have rebutted your arguments, but STILL....

Yes we can have Opinions, but to disparage others - even with FACTS has gotten very old. Give it up.

Originally Posted by phylt

...and again the name-calling. Just another indication of pompous rudeness.

Amazing how easy it is to get the electric cart owners all riled up. The logical conclusion is that are insecure about their choice. Or as Shakespear put it "Methinks the lady doth protest too much". Anyway, my work here is done, maybe I'll move on to "cat people"

[Susanmr]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

I've want to type that, at least 5 times today.

Thanks for saving everyone the trouble, because I'm sure there were a lot more people in that boat.

Based on the tone of the recommendations, I'd say there was some justifying or quid pro quo going on.

Are you saying that any positive reviews require an ulterior motive? I saw no quid pro quo in those statements. Sad to be so negative all the time...

[Tvflguy]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Amazing how easy it is to get the electric cart owners all riled up. The logical conclusion is that are insecure about their choice. Or as Shakespear put it "Methinks the lady doth protest too much". Anyway, my work here is done, maybe I'll move on to "cat people"

I think it’s human nature to defend one’s honest personal feelings and opinions. Especially defend against those that may simply desire stir things up using FUD, insults, and false data. Insecure???? Do you know us or simply another striking out?
And that we are insecure with our choice?

Riled up? Well when some people, behind their keyboards, happily fling insults and lies….
Simply defending ourselves with facts.

Your “work” here hopefully IS done. Yep a true Piece of Work….
On a positive note for you, your post count went up by, what? 15?

Goodbye. But I truly doubt that will be it…

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And I'd like to replace my 10-year-old gas cart with electric as well. But I would prefer an 80-mile range, and more than an "assumption" that the battery only degrades 2%/year.

To me,the most important advantage of an E-cart or vehicle over a reciprocating gas or diesel vehicle is greater reliability due to fewer parts and a circular moving motor (not slamming up and down with pistons). I can think of many more advantages, but that would be #1 with me.

[jimjamuser]

#2) Lower center of gravity, which means greater acceleration, deceleration (braking), and cornering.
.......#3 ) Quieter and no smelly exhaust or wasted time in gas station lines.

[jimjamuser]

#4 ) High instant torque electrical motor accelerates quicker and smoother. Both motor and batteries are mounted way lower than possible with a reciprocating engine.
.......#5 Zero pollution at the vehicle. And at the electrical generation plant it is stationary so it can have HUGE smoke and exhaust scrubbers on smokestack.

[jimjamuser]

#6) In the future there will be charges everywhere just like gas stations are now. And BATTERY TECHNOLOGY will NOT stand still (science never stops). Batteries in the future will be lighter, smaller, and hold MORE charge.

[Tvflguy]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

#6) In the future there will be charges everywhere just like gas stations are now. And BATTERY TECHNOLOGY will NOT stand still (science never stops). Batteries in the future will be lighter, smaller, and hold MORE charge.

Actually for our new Custom Drive cart, chargers ARE everywhere. It has a great on-board charging system with an AC 110v cable which we keep in the front trunk (Frunk). So in the event I ever run out of juice (totally unlikely). I’d look for an outlet.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

What facts do the pro EV people have? Even the OP stated they only had 25-mile range on their older electric cart. I also like the idea of quiet/no fumes electric carts, BUT.....they are not ready for prime time in a place as large as TV. When they have a reliable 80-mile range and no degradation for 10 years, I'm in. But anyone claiming that we are at that point now is delusional.

In a few years, you could stop for lunch and charge your cart in the SAME time period. Then you have another 60 to 80 miles available. Today if you normally went 50 miles and got worried, you could keep a small Honda gas generator with you as a back-up. I think the MANY POSITIVE ADVANTAGES of an E-vehicle greatly outweighs any disadvantages. 50 miles per day is plenty for most people.

[biker1]

Sorry to burst your bubble with facts but diesel engines have extraordinary durability. Diesels in semi trucks can go 1.5 million miles. Diesels in container ships can run for 20 years and that is mostly running 24/7. Gas engines in cars can go 400 thousand miles. At that point the car may very well be recycled since it is essentially used up. Google is your friend.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

To me,the most important advantage of an E-cart or vehicle over a reciprocating gas or diesel vehicle is greater reliability due to fewer parts and a circular moving motor (not slamming up and down with pistons). I can think of many more advantages, but that would be #1 with me.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

What facts do the pro EV people have? Even the OP stated they only had 25-mile range on their older electric cart. I also like the idea of quiet/no fumes electric carts, BUT.....they are not ready for prime time in a place as large as TV. When they have a reliable 80-mile range and no degradation for 10 years, I'm in. But anyone claiming that we are at that point now is delusional.

TV Land is indeed very big and if I were driving every day from the North end to the South end, I would take a car or truck, not a golf cart. In fact, I have found that even 7 miles one way in a gas golf cart was tiring. The constant bumps and vibration was tiring. I preferred to take a trip of 7 miles one way in an automobile for greater comfort. That actually happened!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by phylt

Oh thanks for the not-delusional remark. Some folks here can be "my views are Correct, and nothing you say will change that". I'm simply providing information regarding US and our experience. But as usual here, it leaves one open for bashing and name-calling. So be it....

Somehow, I can relate to that!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

No idea what you are talking about. What is a "post count"???

And, no, I don't own an EV....yet. But I will when it is ready for prime time. Meanwhile, my knowledge about EV's, their range and battery life comes from posts by people who DO own them.

Your post count (and everyone's) is in the upper right corner of your post. Your's is 12,435 as of page 2 on this subject.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

I keep hearing this 80-90 mile range for Lithium Golf Carts ... nonsense.

I have a Star EV, 210 Amp.

I had a Star EV 120 Amp as a loaner for a week.

Your battery gauge is non-linear folks. Just because you get 35 miles and your gauge says 50%, don't count on it.

The 120 Amp I had, showed 1/2 charge at 18 miles. It really had about 3 miles left or 1 mile less than I needed.

Carts in The Villages are driven "pedal to the metal", almost all the time. If you don't believe that, go drive around in your cart at 17 mph and see if anyone stays behind you for more than 2 minutes.

As others have said, the general degradation of Lithium depends on a lot of factors and they don't seem enough have been in use, long enough to actually quantify what's really going to happen.

In the meantime, I wouldn't gamble on that 80-90 mile range. If I get 45-50 out my 210 AMP, I figure I'm doing ok.

I think that it is humorous that people are making degrading remarks about an individual going max 17 MPH in their golf cart. That is the speed limit and to exceed it is to over-stress the engine and chassis. Especially when people are drinking, the Police SHOULD control the not-so-better-angels driving around TV Land. Bikers say loud mufflers save lives, which is NOT true. I would say, HOWEVER, that speed limits save lives. Are Villagers lives less important than other peoples lives?