[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by biker1

Sorry to burst your bubble with facts but diesel engines have extraordinary durability. Diesels in semi trucks can go 1.5 million miles. Diesels in container ships can run for 20 years and that is mostly running 24/7. Gas engines in cars can go 400 thousand miles. At that point the car may very well be recycled since it is essentially used up. Google is your friend.

Anyone driving a car with a 300,000 mile engine, raise your hand.

OK, now drivers with 400,000 miles on their engine?

Anyone driving a Diesel golf cart, raise your other hand?

[Packer Fan]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

What facts do the pro EV people have? Even the OP stated they only had 25-mile range on their older electric cart. I also like the idea of quiet/no fumes electric carts, BUT.....they are not ready for prime time in a place as large as TV. When they have a reliable 80-mile range and no degradation for 10 years, I'm in. But anyone claiming that we are at that point now is delusional.

I have a 13 year old Hybrid car and have seen zero battery degradation. I know several Tesla owners with 7 or more years and zero drop in range.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Bottom line:
Gas vs electric debate is like dog vs cat people 😂

Yes, and some people have both.

[biker1]

My dad (Audi) and brother (BMW) both went over 300k miles and I have a friend (Acura) with over 300k miles, probably approaching 400k if he still has it. There aren’t any diesel golf carts. Do you have a reading comprehension problem as I referenced semis and container ships? Perhaps you should reread the post.

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Anyone driving a car with a 300,000 mile engine, raise your hand.

OK, now drivers with 400,000 miles on their engine?

Anyone driving a Diesel golf cart, raise your other hand?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sowilts

Yes, and my EZGO lithium went 60 miles and the Green went to Yellow on the steering column. I stopped riding in circles trying to obtain my favorite colour, red, but gave up and convinced my stubbornness and it would go over 60 miles. I rarely go over 30 miles and i go where i need to go. I have a charger in the garage and it stops when full. The only examples of carts on fire were gas carts. No maintenance and rubber gas lines and a very hot engine don’t seem good to me. I worked in NJ pumping gas and static can also cause gas to ignite. That is why one has to stay out of the vehicle while filling up the tank

I have NEVER seen people "staying out of the car" while filling the gas tank in Florida ?

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by biker1

Sorry to burst your bubble with facts but diesel engines have extraordinary durability. Diesels in semi trucks can go 1.5 million miles. Diesels in container ships can run for 20 years and that is mostly running 24/7. Gas engines in cars can go 400 thousand miles. At that point the car may very well be recycled since it is essentially used up. Google is your friend.

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Anyone driving a car with a 300,000 mile engine, raise your hand.

OK, now drivers with 400,000 miles on their engine?

Anyone driving a Diesel golf cart, raise your other hand?

Originally Posted by biker1

My dad and brother both went over 300k miles and I have a friend with over 300k miles, probably approaching 400k if he still has it. There aren’t any diesel golf carts. Do you have a reading comprehension problem as I referenced semis and container ships? Perhaps you should reread the post.

No sir. I recognize nonsense, as soon as I read it. Don't have to read it a second time.

[biker1]

So you think nobody has gone over 300k miles? Is that what you are saying? Well, you are wrong and you are the one who is spouting nonsense, just like you did earlier in the day. Have a good evening and find someone else to spout off to.

Originally Posted by BrianL99

No sir. I recognize nonsense, as soon as I read it. Don't have to read it a second time.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

Actually for our new Custom Drive cart, chargers ARE everywhere. It has a great on-board charging system with an AC 110v cable which we keep in the front trunk (Frunk). So in the event I ever run out of juice (totally unlikely). I’d look for an outlet.

Thanks. That makes sense. Maybe I was confusing E-cars and E-carts ?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by biker1

Sorry to burst your bubble with facts but diesel engines have extraordinary durability. Diesels in semi trucks can go 1.5 million miles. Diesels in container ships can run for 20 years and that is mostly running 24/7. Gas engines in cars can go 400 thousand miles. At that point the car may very well be recycled since it is essentially used up. Google is your friend.

I am aware of what you are saying about diesel engines. They can have a long life. But, the engines in long haul trucks are built of high quality materials and are designed for long life. And they have relatively low RPMs. Ship engines would be even lower RPMs. Remember the 1st "throw-away" chevy diesel. The gasoline type pistons could not handle the diesel compression stress. If a diesel reciprocating engine with certain quality of parts were to be compared to an Electric vehicle circular rotating motor with the same quality of parts......I believe that the electric vehicle would last longer. So, in this case I believe that BOTH opinions can be true.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by biker1

So you think nobody has gone over 300k miles? Is that what you are saying? Well, you are wrong and you are the one who is spouting nonsense, just like you did earlier in the day. Have a good evening and find someone else to spout off to.

I had a gas Volvo with over 300k on it. It was running well when I sold it.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by biker1

Gas engines in cars can go 400 thousand miles.

Originally Posted by biker1

So you think nobody has gone over 300k miles?

We're down to 300,000 miles now?

That's probably more than a little optimistic for most automobiles, but some folks don't have the financial capability to be buying new cars all the time and have to nurse their old buggy until it drops.

[MorTech]

EZGO and Club Car use NMC battery technology...Most others are LFP.

EZGO uses Samsung SDI NMC cells and as of MY2021 they replaced the "E" series cells with "G" series. The new cells are more robust in every way. I calculated the charging at 0.15C and 4.05V per cell. This is very slow charging to about 90% capacity which will not harm the cells much. No doubt you will get their 80% capacity @ 1000 charge cycles spec (and probably do much better - Perhaps 90%) with the EZGO...That's 48 miles of range at 60,000 miles instead of 60 miles when new. Calendar life should be about 15 years in this application.

LFP batteries have very little voltage drop from 100-0% SOC which makes it difficult to calculate vehicle range. The reason why they want you to charge full all the time is so that the BMS system can recalibrate range. Tesla uses LFP batteries on model 3 and Y Standard Range and NMC batteries on their Long Range.

[MorTech]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Anyone driving a car with a 300,000 mile engine, raise your hand.

OK, now drivers with 400,000 miles on their engine?

Anyone driving a Diesel golf cart, raise your other hand?

I can imagine "rolling coal" in a golf cart

When I lived in Europe I had a Honda with about 400K miles and It saw the Autobahn almost every day. I suspect the 2025 Camry will be trouble free for 20 years regardless of miles. Elon says Teslas have a million mile chassis so it probably doesn't.

There are very few moving parts to wear on an electric cart...Maybe the motor end bearing and front wheel bearings. The transaxle will last close enough to forever. The EZGO RXV Elite uses reverse motor braking so no brake pads to wear.

[Two Bills]

300k-400k, that's nothing.
I have had the same broom for 20 years.
It's had 17 new heads and 14 new handles.
Still as good as new.


(Trigger.)

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MorTech

I can imagine "rolling coal" in a golf cart

When I lived in Europe I had a Honda with about 400K miles and It saw the Autobahn almost every day. I suspect the 2025 Camry will be trouble free for 20 years regardless of miles. Elon says Teslas have a million mile chassis so it probably doesn't.

There are very few moving parts to wear on an electric cart...Maybe the motor end bearing and front wheel bearings. The transaxle will last close enough to forever. The EZGO RXV Elite uses reverse motor braking so no brake pads to wear.

I wonder what happens with the EZGO when the driver just "taps" the brake pedal to get a slight slowdown.It seems like that would confuse the engine and would it reverse for just a short time and then go back to forward. Apparently it works, but i don't see why not have regular friction brakes in combination with motor reversal ?