[bark4me]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Seen at Havana, yesterday.

Florida Statutes §320.01(22) defines a golf cart as: “a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.”

How can anyone possibly argue, this vehicle is "manufactured ... for sporting or recreational purposes"?

It was designed and manufactured to move people.

When was the last time you saw a vehicle like this, operating on a golf course, outside The Villages?

(Just anecdotally, but since I've been back TV on October 3rd, I've encountered 97 "4 passenger carts" while driving around (yes, I've been counting). On 4 of the 97, there have been more than (2) people in the cart.)

How many people do you know or have seen that drive 4x4 vehicles, intended for off road, that have never been on anything but asphalt?

[LenoxHillLil]

Originally Posted by Indydealmaker

Those that are capable of exceeding 20mph are not legal to be used as a golf cart on the street unless they have been manufactured as/or converted to be Low Speed Vehicles which are restricted to 25mph.

Mandatory cart inspection and testing stations set up at random locations would solve the problem. One warning then confiscate any cart capable of going over 20 mph. Strict application of the law plus swift discipline is the only way to maintain civic order.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by LenoxHillLil

Mandatory cart inspection and testing stations set up at random locations would solve the problem. One warning then confiscate any cart capable of going over 20 mph. Strict application of the law plus swift discipline is the only way to maintain civic order.

If Sheriff annex is closing due to possible budget cuts…where and why would any law enforcement waste money on random inspection…somebody has to foot the bill

[Maker]

Originally Posted by LenoxHillLil

Mandatory cart inspection and testing stations set up at random locations would solve the problem. One warning then confiscate any cart capable of going over 20 mph. Strict application of the law plus swift discipline is the only way to maintain civic order.

Who is being harmed that would justify a massive program?
What actual damages are happening?
What would confiscation actually accomplish, benefits?
What percentage of all accidents would be fully prevented should that plan happen?
Cost?
How can that even happen on private MMPs?
Is that a constitutionally illegal search?

[Sparky99]

Rough crowd. Busy MMPs.

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by LenoxHillLil

Mandatory cart inspection and testing stations set up at random locations would solve the problem. One warning then confiscate any cart capable of going over 20 mph. Strict application of the law plus swift discipline is the only way to maintain civic order.

What, no handcuffs or strip searches?

[TheVillageGlossator]

Originally Posted by LenoxHillLil

Mandatory cart inspection and testing stations set up at random locations would solve the problem. One warning then confiscate any cart capable of going over 20 mph. Strict application of the law plus swift discipline is the only way to maintain civic order.

Mandatory inspections and confiscating golf carts might sound like a simple solution, but there are serious legal, financial, and practical problems. The Districts have no police powers, and case-by-case administrative and civil enforcement is too expensive and impractical. Sheriffs can enforce traffic laws on county roads, but widespread golf-cart inspections would be costly, time-consuming, and a low priority. Routine patrols on the paths also face legal limits.

Then there’s the question of public acceptance. Random checkpoints, heavy police presence, and cart confiscations would be very unpopular. Nobody wants The Villages turned into a network of police checkpoints. So much for Florida’s Friendliest Hometown atmosphere.

That’s why responsible behavior matters so much. Everyone using the multi-modal paths needs to drive safely, show consideration for others, and try to keep their cruising speed no higher than 20 mph. Keeping the paths safe and enjoyable depends on everyone doing their part.

[jimmy o]

Originally Posted by biker1

You didn't think this through. Four seat golf carts cannot be used for 4 people playing golf.

Did you notice that it only holds two golf bags? So no a second cart would still be required for a foursome, and the extra weight of the four seater would do more damage than a Two Seater.

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by jimmy o

Did you notice that it only holds two golf bags? So no a second cart would still be required for a foursome, and the extra weight of the four seater would do more damage than a Two Seater.

Cart path only on the executive courses would solve the weight problem.

[biker1]

Reread my post. Why do you think I posted that 4 people cannot play golf with a four seat golf cart? I thought it was obvious but perhaps not.

Originally Posted by jimmy o

Did you notice that it only holds two golf bags? So no a second cart would still be required for a foursome, and the extra weight of the four seater would do more damage than a Two Seater.

[thelegges]

Originally Posted by TheVillageGlossator

That’s why responsible behavior matters so much. Everyone using the multi-modal paths needs to drive safely, show consideration for others, and try to keep their cruising speed no higher than 20 mph. Keeping the paths safe and enjoyable depends on everyone doing their part.

Hard to believe that many posters have lived in TV 20 plus years with little issues with golf carts on MMP, sharing road or just driving through neighborhood. In your opinion what has changed from 2004 to 2026? Well other than historical side and SS mostly only game in town.

Is it your experience todays residents are less considerate, drive less safe than say 1990's or earlier?

[TheVillageGlossator]

Originally Posted by thelegges

Hard to believe that many posters have lived in TV 20 plus years with little issues with golf carts on MMP, sharing road or just driving through neighborhood. In your opinion what has changed from 2004 to 2026? Well other than historical side and SS mostly only game in town.

Is it your experience todays residents are less considerate, drive less safe than say 1990's or earlier?

I was responding to one poster’s draconian proposal for random checkpoints, mandatory inspections, and cart confiscations. My point was that such enforcement is neither practical nor socially acceptable.

I wasn’t questioning anyone’s behavior, past or present. I was simply appealing to everyone’s common sense and consideration. With little to no enforcement of the rules or laws, responsibility for safety rests squarely on us.

[DonH57]

Originally Posted by thelegges

Hard to believe that many posters have lived in TV 20 plus years with little issues with golf carts on MMP, sharing road or just driving through neighborhood. In your opinion what has changed from 2004 to 2026? Well other than historical side and SS mostly only game in town.

Is it your experience todays residents are less considerate, drive less safe than say 1990's or earlier?

Responsible behavior has changed since we've lived here in 2013. People would stop and ask if you need help if you pulled off the path. No more. More inconsiderate and entitled people speeding on the MMP's tailgating other carts until they can pass on blind curves and nearly clipping pedestrians and cyclist shouting either obscenities or yelling pedestrians aren't allowed on the "cart paths" as they declare. Running stop signs behind gates without even looking for oncoming traffic. When they're not in their golf carts they're rude to waitstaff or hitting the golf groups in front while they're trying to putt. I account it as social decline.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by DonH57

Responsible behavior has changed since we've lived here in 2013. People would stop and ask if you need help if you pulled off the path. No more. More inconsiderate and entitled people speeding on the MMP's tailgating other carts until they can pass on blind curves and nearly clipping pedestrians and cyclist shouting either obscenities or yelling pedestrians aren't allowed on the "cart paths" as they declare. Running stop signs behind gates without even looking for oncoming traffic. When they're not in their golf carts they're rude to waitstaff or hitting the golf groups in front while they're trying to putt. I account it as social decline.

I haven't experienced much of this. A little, but no more than I would in any other congested area, any other location or time in my life. And - the only states in this country I've never been to are Hawaii and Alaska so - I have some reference material.

When I pull off the side of the MMP, sometimes someone will stop and ask if I need help. I don't usually need help but it's a neighborly thing for them to do and I appreciate it. I return the kindness when I see someone pulled over, as well.

I think the person asking what's changed between 2009 and now - there are a lot more people now. Tens of thousands more people, hundreds more roads, multitudes more places to be, and more golf cart drivers wanting to get there.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I haven't experienced much of this. A little, but no more than I would in any other congested area, any other location or time in my life. And - the only states in this country I've never been to are Hawaii and Alaska so - I have some reference material.

When I pull off the side of the MMP, sometimes someone will stop and ask if I need help. I don't usually need help but it's a neighborly thing for them to do and I appreciate it. I return the kindness when I see someone pulled over, as well.

I think the person asking what's changed between 2009 and now - there are a lot more people now. Tens of thousands more people, hundreds more roads, multitudes more places to be, and more golf cart drivers wanting to get there.

I have pulled off the MMP several times to take a phone call or check directions. Occasionally someone will stop and I will thank them but I really don't need help.

I'll try to see if someone stopped is having an issue but if they are just checking their phone I"m not going to stop and bother them.