[Byte1]

Hmm, wonder what the health Dept thinks of animals in food areas. Which is dirtier, a dog or a bug? They shut down food processing businesses when they inspect and find a bug or droppings in the establishment. Perhaps if the health Dept observed dogs in shopping carts, the same would happen.

[seecapecod]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

People who lack respect for the rules enough to bring a pet into a store that has a sign that says "no pets" - will lack respect for a manager who tries to enforce the rules. They'll make a fuss, they'll distract the other customers, they'll make the entire place feel uncomfortable to the employees and customers, they'll waste the manager's time, they'll escalate and make demands, they might end up with the police and more yelling and disruption of business, and it'll ultimately cost the store money. And for what? To prove to a pet-owner that the pet-owner is a piece of crap whose dog has more humanity than they do?

Most managers aren't willing to die on that particular hill. They have a business to run. So as long as the dog isn't "doing" anything disruptive, they won't do or say anything to the pet owner. Especially if the senior corporate management has decreed that the local store manager is not -permitted- to do anything more than give the pet-owner the hairy eyeball and keep quiet.

I will say a huzzah for Ay Jalisco. I ate there early last week, outside. Lady with a small dog on a retractable leash asked if she could get a table outside on the patio. The waitress told her to hold on a moment, went inside, and came back out again. Told the lady sorry - no dogs allowed. The lady claimed it was a "therapy" dog. The waitress held firm. She followed the law and the spirit of the law: "therapy" dogs are not "service animals." And "service animals" are the ONLY animals protected by the Americans with Disabilities Act. Proprietors have the right to impose specific rules: "four on the floor," no leash longer than 6 feet, non-retractable, and the dog MUST be heeled when it's not walking. The only rule this lady was obeying was that the dog had all four feet on the ground. It wasn't heeling, she had a retractable leash pulled out to nearly 10 feet.

In addition - a manager/employee has very strict rules about what they can and cannot ask: they can ask "is this a service animal?" If the owner says yes, they can ask "what service is this dog trained to provide?" And the owner has to answer that question.

That's it. They can't ask "what service does this dog provide "FOR YOU?". Only what it's trained to do, in general.

However, the lady volunteered the information that it was a "therapy" dog - which means it's not a service animal. So the waitress then had that opportunity to tell the lady nope - can't come in, can't eat on our patio.

I gave the waitress a bit of an extra tip and told her I was SO glad she stuck to her guns.

Thanks for sharing- very informative and a positive outcome!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by lmrk32

Well, since you brought up children let’s talk about them. Especially in restaurants and airplanes. They shriek, throw things, have tantrums and they go to the bathroom in their pants, too! What should we do about that?

Originally Posted by Byte1

Birth control? Contraceptives?

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Drown them all at birth?

Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal"

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I love animals, especially dogs. And I have had dogs a good portion of my life. I even trained them in the military for a while. That said, I find people that bring their pets into a store to be irresponsible and lack in manners and common sense. They have total disregard for others. NO ONE brought their pets into a store when I was growing up, let alone pushing one around is a shopping cart. I often wonder if their dogs sit on their dinning room table when they eat meals. Leave your dogs at home when you shop, especially in a Food store or restaurant. You pet owners are showing total disregard and disrespect for your neighbor. If you can't live without a dog attached to your leg wherever you go, then get someone else to shop for you or do your shopping on line and have it delivered. If you are that needy, get some help from a human that specializes in helping needy people. When I see folks in public businesses, especially a food store, I consider them to be weak minded and lacking in respect for others.

Thank You.

How many requests to certify an animal as an "emotional support dog" did I grant in 35 years-----exactly ZERO. I did offer the patients a psychiatric referral to deal with their separation anxiety---guess how many agreed----ZERO. Unfortunately, people will try to game the system no matter what the rules are.

[rrtjp]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Yesterday at BJ's there was a small dog riding in a shopping cart barking on a regular basis. No idea if this one was a service animal but it appears that it has become much too easy for fido to go wherever his owner wants him to go.

Perhaps I should get a horse and decide he is a service one who helps me control my emotions.

I remember a time when people didn’t need an “emotional support animal “ to deal with life. Ahhhh the good ole days. When men were men and women were women, lol.

[NotGolfer]

When did people begin to refer to their pets as their "kids"? Then added to that "pet-parents and grandparents"???? Yes...animals do "seem" to have personality etc., BUT do they speak (actual words). Don't get me wrong....we've had both cats and dogs as pets. BUT back then NO ONE would have thought about taking them into stores!!! Yes, we'd take our dog in the car if running a quick errand but she stayed in it if we had to go inside a store. NEVER did it when grocery shopping!!! We've lived here 13 years and this has been something that seems to be growing more prevalent.

Some years ago, sitting in the airport up north to come back to FL a lady had her cute fluff-muffin in her lap. I commented on how cute it was and how was it traveling (she did have a carrier at her feet). She said "Fluffy HATED being in the carrier on the plane so next time she'd get a harness from online and sneak her in as a service animal". Yes, they walk among us!! Anyone who thinks it's o.k.----well you need training too.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

It's a right of passage in TV, to whine and complain about dogs.

Dog owners couldn't care less..... we laugh at all the outrage.

Many of the folks you laugh at are also dog owners and former dog owners. They were brought up to respect others. They understand that dogs are not sterile and can carry all kinds of filth. The people you laugh at understand that there are places that animals (fyi, dogs are animals) don't belong.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by NotGolfer

When did people begin to refer to their pets as their "kids"? Then added to that "pet-parents and grandparents"???? Yes...animals do "seem" to have personality etc., BUT do they speak (actual words). Don't get me wrong....we've had both cats and dogs as pets. BUT back then NO ONE would have thought about taking them into stores!!! Yes, we'd take our dog in the car if running a quick errand but she stayed in it if we had to go inside a store. NEVER did it when grocery shopping!!! We've lived here 13 years and this has been something that seems to be growing more prevalent.

Some years ago, sitting in the airport up north to come back to FL a lady had her cute fluff-muffin in her lap. I commented on how cute it was and how was it traveling (she did have a carrier at her feet). She said "Fluffy HATED being in the carrier on the plane so next time she'd get a harness from online and sneak her in as a service animal". Yes, they walk among us!! Anyone who thinks it's o.k.----well you need training too.

Some people think it is all about them

[virtue51]

The Food and Drug Administration prohibits live animals in grocery stores with the exception of service dogs and canine dogs with a police officer. Next time, you should take a photo and send to the Department of Health or send it to one of the news channels.

[Deden]

She probably knew, just ignored it. Yeah, I'm sick of seeing all animals in our carts.

[Eg_cruz]

Originally Posted by Bcheval

Hey, I think you're on to something! Instead of bad parking pictures let's see bad pet owner pictures. Could be amusing.

That’s a good one

[Deden]

Unbeknownst to her she has to present proper papers Ha LOl

[OhioBuckeye]

In todays world everyone thinks or tries to convince the stores they are service animals. I say your right keep ALL animals out of anything that serves food it’s no place for animals. Very unsanitary!

[Burgy]

Originally Posted by asianthree

While at Marshals on Saturday, lady with a mid size terrier sitting in shopping cart, took a bowl off the shelf,, poured water in it. Let her dog drink from the bowl, then put the bowl back on the shelf.

Management watch her as did 4 customers. She was asked to leave, and given the bowl since it was no longer a sellable item. Her comments on the way out…

I will never shop here again… my dog is cleaner than any of you. Management was thanked by multiple customers for doing the right thing. I have noticed some businesses are posting a sign no animals allowed, unless it’s a service dog. Wonder how that’s working.

She should be told to drink out of the bowl.

[Petersweeney]

Please please close this thread…..