[bilcon]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Chihuahuas are like pit bulls in that they too should be looked at as I individuals with personal histories which may define how they may act.

Years ago, I was helping my wife set up her kindergarten classroom when a pit bull appeared at the doorway to the classroom. I started to panic until I heard someone call Duncan, Duncan. The dog stopped immediately and the owner, another teacher appeared. She told us about Duncan. She found him as a puppy in a box at a post office and took him home. She told us he is the sweetest dog and very friendly. She has a fenced in property and the dog would jump a 5' fence if kids came alone just so he could play with them. A lot had to do with how a dog is raised. I interacted with Duncan many times after that incident, and never found him to be aggressive. He was given a love of love by his owner, unlike many others who are chained up outside or kept in cages for most of their lives.

[hypart]

No such thing as bad dogs. Only bad owners

[Bwanajim]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Pit Bulls should be outlawed for sale anywhere in the US. They were bred for DOG FIGHTING, which is outlawed. So, they have no USE as a breed. German Sheperds make better guard dogs. Pit Bulls are too stupid ad hurt children every year. They are even a danger to an adult in a wheelchair.

That is absolute bull****! They are no different than any other dog other than their strength and power of their bite. It all depends on how they were raised. I know plenty of friends with pits and they are friendly as hell.
Some of the little yap dogs here are more vicious

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Bwanajim

That is absolute bull****! They are no different than any other dog other than their strength and power of their bite. It all depends on how they were raised. I know plenty of friends with pits and they are friendly as hell.
Some of the little yap dogs here are more vicious

I have met some very sweet pit bulls at Doggie Doo Run Run. Jade, for instance, who was quite gentle until she started playing hard with a boxer about her size. We then had to keep our distance.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by Bwanajim

That is absolute bull****! They are no different than any other dog other than their strength and power of their bite. It all depends on how they were raised. I know plenty of friends with pits and they are friendly as hell.
Some of the little yap dogs here are more vicious

The higher the population of pit bulls, the greater the risk of unprovoked dog attacks. To say that all dog breeds pose the same risk is patently false. Proper care and training will make a big difference but it can not completely eliminate genetic instincts.

over thirteen percent of pit bulls attacked their owners, as compared with just over
two percent of other dogs

Pit bull dogs, unlike other dogs, often give no warning signals before they attack.

These dogs were intentionally bred to result in better, stronger,
and bolder dogs, more inclined to engage in the dangerous behaviors likely
to win in the ring.

https://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/one-citys-experience.pdf
2019 U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities - Dog Bite Statistics - DogsBite.org


And hundreds of cities and towns ban or restrict pitbulls.
https://blog.dogsbite.org/wp-content...-laws-2021.pdf

2019 dog bite fatality statistics

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

They should be outlawed for BREEDING, and any pitbull puppies should be REQUIRED to be spayed or neutered before they're old enough to breed. It'd be great to see the breed die out, too many of them are treated badly, and too many of the well-trained ones are feared and hated by too many people who don't know any better.

Pit bulls are no more or less stupid than most other dogs. Chihuahuas have no use as a breed in the US. They were originally bred as a food source. And yet there are lots of those, and they're nasty, yippy, nippy little monsters.

Pit bulls are active dogs that require socialization, training, and human interaction from the time they're born. They require physical exercise. In addition, the term "pit bull" isn't even an exclusive thing. It refers to one of a few different breeds of terriers. Remember the old black and white show Our Gang? The dog Petey was a pit bull.

Petey was not pit bull according to this

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“The first Petey was named "Pal, the Wonder Dog" and was an American Staffordshire Terrier. He had a natural ring around his left eye that was enhanced with dye.

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The History of Pit Bulls - Love-A-BullPit bulls are descendants of the Old English Bulldog and the Old English Terrier. They were originally bred in 19th-century England, Scotland, and Ireland for fighting other dogs.
Explanation
Bulldog ancestry
Bulldogs were originally bred for bull baiting, a cruel blood sport where they would harass a bull until it collapsed.
Terrier ancestry
Smaller, quicker terriers were crossed with the larger, slower bulldogs to create a more agile fighting dog.
Bull-and-Terrier
The crossing of the bulldog and the British terrier created the Bull-and-Terrier breed. This breed combined the bulldog's muscle power and tenacity with the terrier's alertness, agility, and speed.
The American Kennel Club (AKC) does not recognize pit bulls as a distinct breed. However, other organizations do, and the term "pit bull" is often used as an umbrella term for breeds like the American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and American Pit Bull Terrier

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Modern Staffords are often confused with the fighting pit bull-types because they share common ancestors that date back to the early 1800s when pit fighting was a popular sport. As a result, Staffords are considered among the breeds with a stigma attached relative to the "chav culture",[26] and have been termed "status dogs".[51][52] Globally, pit bull-types including Staffordshire Bull Terriers have made local news for acts of aggression, but breed advocates have raised questions about the veracity of visual breed identification, and media hype.[53][54] News reports often treat the breed as one that attacks other dogs.[55] Similar breeds have been associated with bites to humans.[56]

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by ithos

2019 dog bite fatality statistics

The stats are about fatalities. Which is fine, but it doesn't tell the whole story. Anything "pitbull" gets reported. Not so much other breeds, and for many reasons. Like my own interaction mentioned earlier. If Max, the Labrador, had attacked anyone but me, the damage could have been much worse, with 911 calls, police reports, medical attention, physical and mental therapy, lawsuits and lives forever damaged. Once I got Max under control, I had my wife call the owner. Once she saw me, she thought her life was over. Max played rough, very rough. But he was playing, and I recognized it instantly as a result of playing with my own large dogs. Result, one report of a black Labrador attack was never filed.
If all dog attacks were reported, regardless of severity, we would see a very different picture than just the dreaded pit bull. Most dogs, and virtually all small dogs would be front and center. Like the pomeranian that bit it's owner because he/she reached for the dog toy. Dog bite, yes. Blood, yes. Pain, yes. Medical attention, bandaid and a whiskey. Report, no.

[MollyJo]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

There are some pit bulls around us here in this neighborhood. As long as they are on a leash with a healthy individual in control of them, I have no problem. Years ago in this neighborhood a very large dog pulled over its dog walker and broke her wrist and then killed a small dog being walked by another dog walker. This was not a pit bull but a much bigger pooch. Some kind of mastiff, maybe.

I Always carry a spray water bottle (in winter coat) as a first defense. If a dog approaching my dog aggressively gets within 5’ out comes my pepper gel. It works & we stay safe.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Petey was not pit bull according to this

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“The first Petey was named "Pal, the Wonder Dog" and was an American Staffordshire Terrier. He had a natural ring around his left eye that was enhanced with dye.

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The History of Pit Bulls - Love-A-BullPit bulls are descendants of the Old English Bulldog and the Old English Terrier. They were originally bred in 19th-century England, Scotland, and Ireland for fighting other dogs.
Explanation
Bulldog ancestry
Bulldogs were originally bred for bull baiting, a cruel blood sport where they would harass a bull until it collapsed.
Terrier ancestry
Smaller, quicker terriers were crossed with the larger, slower bulldogs to create a more agile fighting dog.
Bull-and-Terrier
The crossing of the bulldog and the British terrier created the Bull-and-Terrier breed. This breed combined the bulldog's muscle power and tenacity with the terrier's alertness, agility, and speed.
The American Kennel Club (AKC) does not recognize pit bulls as a distinct breed. However, other organizations do, and the term "pit bull" is often used as an umbrella term for breeds like the American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and American Pit Bull Terrier

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Modern Staffords are often confused with the fighting pit bull-types because they share common ancestors that date back to the early 1800s when pit fighting was a popular sport. As a result, Staffords are considered among the breeds with a stigma attached relative to the "chav culture",[26] and have been termed "status dogs".[51][52] Globally, pit bull-types including Staffordshire Bull Terriers have made local news for acts of aggression, but breed advocates have raised questions about the veracity of visual breed identification, and media hype.[53][54] News reports often treat the breed as one that attacks other dogs.[55] Similar breeds have been associated with bites to humans.[56]

First of all - if you're going to copy and paste from an online source, you need to include the link to that source. Links, or it didn't happen.

Second - according to your own copy/paste of whatever that is, pitbulls aren't their own distinct breed but are rather a group of different breeds that fall under the general heading. And American Staffordshire Terriers, of which Pete was one, is often included in that group. And so - I am not incorrect. Pete was an American Staffordshire Terrier, and they ARE grouped into the collective known as "pit bulls."

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Veracity

In my opinion, there is a lot to be said about how nature (genes) and nurture (upbringing) interact to shape canine behavior. My experiences have taught me to understand and respect every dog’s breed (nature). If I buy/adopt a border collie, just like its ancestors, it will be genetically programmed to herd. It’s very unlikely that I will ever be able to completely train that dog NOT to display herding tendencies. If I don’t live on a farm, and I am very kind and loving to the dog, and I never teach it or expose it to herding (nurture), under certain circumstances, herding tendencies will still surface and the dog will naturally chase, circle, and nip at a moving object (nature). It’s not that the dog “snapped.” It’s just doing what it was bred for. Everyone seems to accept herding behavior from the entire category of breeds called ”collies.” Yet many people deny that the category of breeds called pit bulls, who were bred to fight but raised in a loving home, have the propensity to attack, regardless of how friendly they appear.

100% right.

If you own a herding dog, it's going to herd. As you say, that's what it was bred to do.

It you have a retriever, the odds are, it's going to "retrieve", no matter how it's raised.

The town that borders me in NH, has a local ordinance against owning a Pit Bull and my Insurance company wouldn't insure my home if I owned a Pit Bull. The statistics support such a ban and prohibition.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

First of all - if you're going to copy and paste from an online source, you need to include the link to that source. Links, or it didn't happen.

Second - according to your own copy/paste of whatever that is, pitbulls aren't their own distinct breed but are rather a group of different breeds that fall under the general heading. And American Staffordshire Terriers, of which Pete was one, is often included in that group. And so - I am not incorrect. Pete was an American Staffordshire Terrier, and they ARE grouped into the collective known as "pit bulls."

No I don’t you can look it up. Not that hard. Petey was not Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Which are considered pit bulls for short.

[Caymus]

Originally Posted by Bwanajim

That is absolute bull****! They are no different than any other dog other than their strength and power of their bite. It all depends on how they were raised. I know plenty of friends with pits and they are friendly as hell.
Some of the little yap dogs here are more vicious

.....and Seigfreid and Roy did a great job training tigers (for a while)

[Veracity]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

A properly trained pitbull will not suddenly attack for no reason. It just flat out won't happen. If it's attacking, then somewhere there's a failure. Either there WAS a good reason for the attack, OR the person training the dog failed in their own training by not properly training and commanding their dog.

I think that you are delusional. First, if a "responsible" pitbull owner is ONLY someone who provides their dog the intense training that you describe and they are ALWAYS with their dog which would be necessary in order to ALWAYS be in command, there would be very few people (if anyone) who are able/qualified to own such a dog other than perhaps law enforcement. Second, I agree that there WAS a good reason for EVERY attack. The owner, however, will probably never understand that reason. It could be as simple as a child reaching for an object the dog perceived to be theirs, triggering the "bred-in" guarding instinct. It could be the natural sounds and motions of children at play that triggered the dog's "bred in" fighting instincts. It could be that someone made eye contact with the dog in a way that the dog perceived as threatening that triggered the "bred-in" protecting instinct. Or thousands of other unidentified reasons. Of course all dogs could potentially have these instincts, but not all dog attacks are as vicious, dangerous, and deadly as those that are so common with the unique "bred-in" jaws of a pit bull. I do not understand why anyone, even experienced pet trainers, would take the chance of owning a potentially dangerous animal and then give it access to children, neighbors, or other pets. They need to be held accountable for their dog's lethal actions, but for anyone whose child, loved one, or pet has been killed or mauled by a pitbull, there will be no way to find closure from such a needless tragedy.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

No I don’t you can look it up. Not that hard. Petey was not Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Which are considered pit bulls for short.

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From YOUR post, which YOU quoted from somewhere else (and you didn't even have the courtesy to mention where your quote came from so no, I couldn't look it up):

The American Kennel Club (AKC) does not recognize pit bulls as a distinct breed. However, other organizations do, and the term "pit bull" is often used as an umbrella term for breeds like the American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and American Pit Bull Terrier

Pete was an AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER. They are categorized as pitbull-type dogs, as are American Pit Bull Terriers and Staffordshire Bull Terriers.

That is from YOUR source, that YOU quoted. If you disagree with your own source, then find a new source.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

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From YOUR post, which YOU quoted from somewhere else (and you didn't even have the courtesy to mention where your quote came from so no, I couldn't look it up):



Pete was an AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER. They are categorized as pitbull-type dogs, as are American Pit Bull Terriers and Staffordshire Bull Terriers.

That is from YOUR source, that YOU quoted. If you disagree with your own source, then find a new source.

Came from simple google search where else would I find it? Petey IMO and yes I can have one just like you was not cross bread to be fighting dog. As the information was from old England where they cross dogs to kill which when pit bulls reared their ugly heads. Point was now way to prove or disprove Petey was pit bull killer. He may of been pure bread Staffordshire terrier which can be somewhat more docile, maybe. Point is that breed notoriously known to mull anything they they attack to death specially when running in two or more packs. One hard enough to fight off full grown man over 200 pounds in MMA shape two or more nearly impossible unless you have weapon. Majority are not sweet lovable little dogs that won’t hurt fly. That’s been proven over centuries.