[redwitch]

Putting dye on a dog is wrong. Period. You do it to a show dog and the judge finds out, your dog is automatically DQ'd. Just ain't done (well, it is done but is considered cheating), just ain't acceptable.

Price of a dog is irrelevant. I sold someone a beautiful Afghan bitch for $5K. Saw the owner walking her one day. I immediately stopped my car and took the dog from her -- poor thing had not been groomed in months. I had to completely shave her down, something which really does affect an Afghan psychologically (they really are rather vain dogs). (My contract gave me the right to take the dog back if I felt it was not being taken care of properly.)

I honestly don't know if the dye used would harm the dog, but it seems like such an awful thing to do. Does the human really need attention that badly? Seems like having two beautiful standard poodles would give you more than enough attention.

For those of you who think this is acceptable, imagine how long the poor dog had to stay in position to get that dye all over it. Heck, most dogs hate to have a bath, imagine the reaction to being dyed and touched up and ..... Considering this was a head-to-toe job, the poor dog had to be on a grooming table for hours. Even with four feet, it had to be very tired when done.

And, Bonanza, just for you: [b a r f -- no spaces]

[Cisco Kid]

And little miss LuLu was free.
a hand me down.

[Cisco Kid]

Head horns

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

ron122049 C France. Lighten up! Whether you know it or not people who have standard poodles have invested a significant amount of money for that breed. I have known many poodle owners and breeders that would attest that a standard poodle owner would never intentionally do anything to harm their friend.

Standard Poodle Owner.
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Sorry Ron, I'm sure you're a very responsible pet owner.
But cost is no guarantee that an owner will treat a pet well.
There are many horror stories at Rescue Shelters attesting to this fact.

A poodle dyed pink in a golf cart without a harness?
Having a dog dyed pink or blue or purple is just wrong. Pets are not fashion accessories.
And all dogs should wear a harness in a golf cart for safety reasons.
Hopefully this dog wasn't actually going anywhere, just posing for a picture.

C'mon, Bare, lighten up. (NOT!!!!!!!!!)

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by redwitch

Putting dye on a dog is wrong. Period. You do it to a show dog and the judge finds out, your dog is automatically DQ'd. Just ain't done (well, it is done but is considered cheating), just ain't acceptable.

Price of a dog is irrelevant. I sold someone a beautiful Afghan bitch for $5K. Saw the owner walking her one day. I immediately stopped my car and took the dog from her -- poor thing had not been groomed in months. I had to completely shave her down, something which really does affect an Afghan psychologically (they really are rather vain dogs). (My contract gave me the right to take the dog back if I felt it was not being taken care of properly.)

I honestly don't know if the dye used would harm the dog, but it seems like such an awful thing to do. Does the human really need attention that badly? Seems like having two beautiful standard poodles would give you more than enough attention.

For those of you who think this is acceptable, imagine how long the poor dog had to stay in position to get that dye all over it. Heck, most dogs hate to have a bath, imagine the reaction to being dyed and touched up and ..... Considering this was a head-to-toe job, the poor dog had to be on a grooming table for hours. Even with four feet, it had to be very tired when done.

And, Bonanza, just for you: [b a r f -- no spaces]

Agree, Dee. And Bonanza had good points, so I think your gif was showing her how to animate PUKE!

[Cisco Kid]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

ron122049 C France. Lighten up! Whether you know it or not people who have standard poodles have invested a significant amount of money for that breed. I have known many poodle owners and breeders that would attest that a standard poodle owner would never intentionally do anything to harm their friend.

Standard Poodle Owner.
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Sorry Ron, I'm sure you're a very responsible pet owner.
But cost is no guarantee that an owner will treat a pet well.
There are many horror stories at Rescue Shelters attesting to this fact.

A poodle dyed pink in a golf cart without a harness?
Having a dog dyed pink or blue or purple is just wrong. Pets are not fashion accessories.
And all dogs should wear a harness in a golf cart for safety reasons.
Hopefully this dog wasn't actually going anywhere, just posing for a picture.

My little LuLu's former jailers paid $800 for her. Then they just up and gave her to me. They were going to send her back the the puppy mill breeder. They also gave me her pink crate with padded cover, 5 little dresses , and a year of meds.
They were just done with the little purse dog that could not be trained.
I gave the cage to a rescue. Lu does not do cages anymore.
A price on her head did not help her.

One day we ran into Lulu's old family. I was worried how she would react.
Lu clearly acted as if they were dead to her.

[redwitch]

Yup, the was showing Bonanza that the gif was there. :-)

And, Cisco, what a great story! Lucky Lu!

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Cisco Kid

My little LuLu's former jailers paid $800 for her. Then they just up and gave her to me. They were going to send her back the the puppy mill breeder. They also gave me her pink crate with padded cover, 5 little dresses , and a year of meds.
They were just done with the little purse dog that could not be trained.
I gave the cage to a rescue. Lu does not do cages anymore.
A price on her head did not help her.

One day we ran into Lulu's old family. I was worried how she would react.
Lu clearly acted as if they were dead to her.

Lucky Little Lady Lulu! She obviously landed in a good home.

[Bonanza]

Originally Posted by redwitch

Putting dye on a dog is wrong. Period. You do it to a show dog and the judge finds out, your dog is automatically DQ'd. Just ain't done (well, it is done but is considered cheating), just ain't acceptable.

Price of a dog is irrelevant. I sold someone a beautiful Afghan bitch for $5K. Saw the owner walking her one day. I immediately stopped my car and took the dog from her -- poor thing had not been groomed in months. I had to completely shave her down, something which really does affect an Afghan psychologically (they really are rather vain dogs). (My contract gave me the right to take the dog back if I felt it was not being taken care of properly.)

I honestly don't know if the dye used would harm the dog, but it seems like such an awful thing to do. Does the human really need attention that badly? Seems like having two beautiful standard poodles would give you more than enough attention.

For those of you who think this is acceptable, imagine how long the poor dog had to stay in position to get that dye all over it. Heck, most dogs hate to have a bath, imagine the reaction to being dyed and touched up and ..... Considering this was a head-to-toe job, the poor dog had to be on a grooming table for hours. Even with four feet, it had to be very tired when done.

And, Bonanza, just for you: [b a r f -- no spaces]

Thank you . . ..

I feel so much better!

[Halibut]

Considering this was a head-to-toe job, the poor dog had to be on a grooming table for hours. Even with four feet, it had to be very tired when done.

Okay, but what about grooming? Is there outrage about making dogs stand for long periods of time in order to shave their fur into fancy clumps and lumps? What about the entire show dog/cat industry? Hauling animals around, sometimes cross country, putting them in crates for hours at benched shows, making them "perform" for judges and audiences? Not to mention selective breeding/eugenics to develop specific physical characteristics that may, in the long run, be injurious to the breed.

[DougB]

Or chopping off a puppy Boxer's tail or constricting the blood supply so it falls off?

[redwitch]

Originally Posted by Halibut

Okay, but what about grooming? Is there outrage about making dogs stand for long periods of time in order to shave their fur into fancy clumps and lumps? What about the entire show dog/cat industry? Hauling animals around, sometimes cross country, putting them in crates for hours at benched shows, making them "perform" for judges and audiences? Not to mention selective breeding/eugenics to develop specific physical characteristics that may, in the long run, be injurious to the breed.

Actually, a good groomer never takes hours, even for the fancy cuts. As to showing dogs and cats, some critters love it. I had one Afghan who would bounce with joy every time I loaded the portable crate into the car. She knew she got to prance around and look pretty. I had another dog that hated it. I took him to two shows and that was it. If a dog doesn't like to be shown, it is patently clear in the ring and I've heard more than one judge recommend that the dog not be shown again -- it's just too miserable. I won't comment about benched shows since I totally agree with you -- no animal should be in a cage for that long.

Selective breeding is what it is. It has caused a lot of issues for a lot of breeds -- hip dysplasia, proclivity to bone spurs; aggressiveness; shyness. If purchasers would insist on getting complete breeding records and refusing to purchase a dog that has a lot of inbreeding, it would help. Sadly, you can't stop inbreeding programs any more than you can stop puppy mills unless someone has the courage to truly change and enforce laws. They are both obscenities.

Hauling a dog around is no big thing to my mind. Some dogs love to travel, some don't. If they don't, everyone is going to be miserable and, ultimately, the dog will not be shown.

What I hate more than anything is how some animals have to be physically altered (ears and tails docked). You'll never convince me that this didn't create great pain. Sadly, in the show world, it is necessary to achieve the "look". So, until there is a total change in mindset, show dogs are going to be tortured when young. Not sure what the excuse is for pet-quality dogs. One of the prettiest dogs I ever saw was a dobie that totally natural -- cute floppy ears, happy tail. He was such a sweet and happy boy.

Go to a few dog shows. You'll see that most of the dogs there are happy. They love to prance around the ring; they love when they win; they're happy guys and gals. The ones that aren't quickly quit being shown -- gait in the ring is a big thing and an unhappy dog just doesn't move right and, thus, doesn't place, let alone win.

And, now, back to the subject at hand. The dog is going to have to stand while the dye job dries. Unlike blowing dry a dog who has just been groomed, they're going to have to make sure the coat dries evenly and that the dog doesn't lie down until dry. So, much longer standing periods, plus longer standing period while the dye is applied. So, I still feel that dying this poor dog pink head to toe is wrong.

[Taltarzac725]

http://www.cesarsway.com/dog-care/do...-Is-a-Bad-Idea

I am with Cesar Milan on this one! Dying dogs colors is a lousy idea.

That poor poodle is going to need a dog therapist now.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by DougB

Or chopping off a puppy Boxer's tail or constricting the blood supply so it falls off?

I don't know about the tails, but there is a big move on to stop clipping their ears.

My problem with the AKC is breeding for looks instead of for temperament. I have never understood why ears and tails should be clipped.the only good thing about a short tail is it can't clear off a coffee table. Otherwise my vote is to leave the poor puppy alone.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Halibut

Okay, but what about grooming? Is there outrage about making dogs stand for long periods of time in order to shave their fur into fancy clumps and lumps? What about the entire show dog/cat industry? Hauling animals around, sometimes cross country, putting them in crates for hours at benched shows, making them "perform" for judges and audiences? Not to mention selective breeding/eugenics to develop specific physical characteristics that may, in the long run, be injurious to the breed.

Halibut, some breeds have to be groomed for cleanliness and other things. Our goldens had to be groomed to clip the hair out from between their toes, to achieve what they call a "sanitary cut" around their back end, and to thin out the hair in and around their ears so they will get aired out better and have less chance of becoming infected.

In the hot summer we would have the "feathers" cut off or get what they call a "puppy cut" so they would be cooler but still have the insulating properties of their coat.

Our Springer Spaniel and some other breeds (maybe schnauzers?) must be groomed because their hair will just continue to grow and grow. When his ears were practically dragging on the floor, it was time for a snip.