[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

I think this is related because it goes to the heart of the mindset of people who refuse to accept the facts -- in other words, it's the same thing, the same processing of information that leads to harmful actions.

I sense you don't know that "correlation does not imply causation"...

[maggie1]

Originally Posted by Cobullymom

So apparently you're not aware of statistics anti vaxxers are doing better than those who are, current Kaiser foundation study so your point is moot..

I'm afraid that we are a bot off-topic, but I'd be interested in knowing where you obtained your information about the Kaiser Foundations study. The Foundation is not a part of Kaiser Permanente, it merely reports medical statistics but as far as I'm aware they make no recommendations for or against anything. I would stand corrected if you could qualify your statement with a link that I could review. Thank you.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by maggie1

I'm afraid that we are a bot off-topic, but I'd be interested in knowing where you obtained your information about the Kaiser Foundations study. The Foundation is not a part of Kaiser Permanente, it merely reports medical statistics but as far as I'm aware they make no recommendations for or against anything. I would stand corrected if you could qualify your statement with a link that I could review. Thank you.

Please start a new thread. This thread is dedicated to the bashing of pit bulls...

[Djean1981]

Originally Posted by merrymini

My yorkie was attached by a pit. He pulled the dog from my arms,. The resulting trauma cost about $2000 in vet bills. Penalty to the pit owner, $50 for not having the dog licensed. Cops did nothing and could not care less. I ordinarily, do not like to see compulsive action, but pitties are a danger to everyone. The numbers do not lie.

The police did nothing?

[Velvet]

A well trained dog can be amazing, I used to admire “Daddy”, Cesar Milan’s pit bull. But if you observed this dog, every 7 seconds he’d look at Cesar as if to say, “Am I being a good dog, now? Am I doing what you want?” And I mean EVERY 7 seconds or so. THAT is training. But there is only one Cesar, I stopped breeding because I didn’t feel comfortable with people who bought a “cute” puppy, not ready for what that dog needs when full grown.

[DonnaNi4os]

First let me say that my heart breaks for the family that lost their precious pup. My daughter rescued a pit bull several years ago. There was no back history on the dog but the tears in his ears and bite marks on his body spoke volumes. I thought my daughter was crazy to take on this responsibility. Well, this was the sweetest dog and the name she gave him, Romeo, speaks volumes. Problem is that his very muscular build and massive jaws had the potential to do real damage. Thankfully that never happened. As for labs being high on the list of frequent biters…my golden retriever bit me, requiring a tetanus shot and stitches. He had always been docile up to that point. The bottom line is, just like people, any animal could snap at anytime. Being a responsible owner makes for a good dog. And above all, there is a leash law for a reason! I see way to many walked off leash. I currently have the 13th dog of my life and cannot imagine life without her.

Again, my sympathies to the family that lost their precious dog.

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

Statistically, if a dog kills you it is a Pit. Pit apologists say, "It's how they were raised" that's not so, all breeds have bad owners. Most Pits live their whole life not killing anyone, but not all. To me, its a bit like playing Russian Roulette. Five empty chambers...... do you want to have a dog that probably won't kill someone... but might.

I think your Russian Roulette analogy is perfect.

I know two women who have pit bulls. Both of these women are highly intelligent and successful, but when it comes to their dogs, common sense seems to not be a factor.

They definitely subscribe to that embedded mantra, “It’s not the dog. It’s the owner.” (I have always found that to be an arrogant statement on the part of pit bull owners, like they think they are in some special category that can overcome nature.)

One of these pit bull owners has small children and likes to talk about how “good” the pit is with the kids although highly territorial in most other situations…..Hellooo, sounds like a time bomb to me. (I cringe, and hope I never regret keeping my mouth shut — which would not make any difference anyway. The mantra would continue.)

Years ago, we were at a small party at the home of someone with a pit. The dog had taken a liking to Mr. Boomer and was sitting next to him. I later sat down with the dog between us and when I turned to talk to Mr. B, that dog growled in my face. I made sure not to even look at Mr. Boomer after that and quickly made polite excuses to leave. I think I could have lost my face had I not taken that dog’s hint. I am sure glad I had sense enough to read that dog.

I find Nature/Nurture to be fascinating, whether in dogs or people……

As a parallel to Nature/Nurture in dogs, I think of the dog we got not long after we were married. We wanted a middle- sized dog, so I looked at newspaper ads where I found a Brittany Spaniel……..

She was a beauty, who knew more about her ancestry that we know about ours. Her grandpa was a field champion. Her markings were perfect, just like the orange and white Brittany pictures in books.

We do not hunt birds or anything else. We just wanted a pet. I bought a book about Brittany Spaniels that I called my Brittany Spaniel Manual. I still remember the first sentence, “The Brittany is at home at the hearth as well as at the hunt.”

She had a wonderful life with us for over 16 years — before that last ride to the vet.

But, here’s the thing, even though she was our pet and lived in the house and had never, ever been taken hunting, we soon realized that when outside, her nose was almost always sniffing the air, not the ground, and she would often go into a perfect point and could hold that point forever.

There was a big county park close to us and those were the days when we could let her run there. One day, she was flushing birds from cattails by the lake and a man who was watching tried his best to buy her from us.

The point of this dissertation on our Brittany Spaniel is that she had been bred to hunt and it was in her nature and showed up whenever she got the chance to go into her perfect point or to flush birds. It was fun to see and we gave her many opportunities to exercise and show off her bird dog nature, though we did not carry along a shotgun — much to her disappointment, I’m sure.

Nature/Nurture? I think — and have seen — that both are always there, whether in people or dogs.

There is an old saying, “What’s bred in the bone comes out in the flesh.” — Applied to a bird dog? That’s OK. But when applied to a pit bull………………

Boomer

[DonnaNi4os]

I neglected to mention in my previous post the Pit Bulls were once used as “nanny dogs” because they were so good with children. That leads me to believe that nature/nurture plays a huge part in the reputation of this breed.

[Two Bills]

It's a good job nature and genetics decided Chihuahua's should be small.
If they were large dogs, they would eat Pit bulls for breakfast.
Dachshunds are stroppy little boogers as well.
It's the 'ankle snappers' you have to be careful of!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Hey, Mintzer, the thread topic is about a pit bull attack. You’re doggone right, this thread does bash put bulls.

And I was just getting ready to post my opinion and experience — and, dog lover though I may be, I do not think pit bulls can be trusted.

So anyway, I think I will go ahead and post my opinion of pit bulls in the appropriate thread — which is this one.

(Btw, you are all over almost every post here this morning — looks like kind of in a heckling mode or mood. Nipping at the heels of other posters? Gr-r-r-r.)

Boomer

Hey Boomer,

Was I replying to you? Didn't think so...

Oh, and thanks for keeping track of post counts. We can always "count" on you for that!

[bsloan1960]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

I had a cousin who always had a Boxer dog/s around her all her life.
Not one was aggressive or snappy.
Slobber you to death though!
They always reminded me of the kid who made the class laugh. A bit thick, but had their smarts.
She always called them her 'loyal clowns!'

Insurance companies operate using Actuary Tables and Statistical Analysis. If they allow or disallow Boxers or any other breeds it isn't because someone knows someone who has a gentle Dog. They take statistics on dog attacks seriously and don't dismiss them because they've owned 3 Boxers and those 3 never hurt anyone.

[bsloan1960]

Originally Posted by Cobullymom

So apparently you're not aware of statistics anti vaxxers are doing better than those who are, current Kaiser foundation study so your point is moot..

Let's stay on topic regarding the dangerousness of Pit Bulls. To do that I'll admit I was wrong to use Covid shots as a comparison. OK. With that out of the way... Since you trust statistics that tell us more vaxxed than non-vaxxed are getting sick- do you also trust the statistics that tell us that year after year Pit Bulls are the #1 killer of people?

[bsloan1960]

Originally Posted by Boomer

(Btw, you are all over almost every post here this morning — looks like kind of in a heckling mode or mood. Nipping at the heels of other posters? Gr-r-r-r.)

Boomer

There are people in forums that stand off to the side- holding a big fan, always on the lookout for a spark they can fan into a flame. Seeing these fires flare- and Causing these fires to flare feeds some persistent hunger they have that is only satisfied when they see others unhappy. The other way they get the food to feed this weakness is by directly insulting others.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by bsloan1960

Insurance companies operate using Actuary Tables and Statistical Analysis. If they allow or disallow Boxers or any other breeds it isn't because someone knows someone who has a gentle Dog. They take statistics on dog attacks seriously and don't dismiss them because they've owned 3 Boxers and those 3 never hurt anyone.

I was replying to a post from 'Nucky' regarding his old Boxer.
Nothing to do with Insurance Claims, Actuary Tables or Statistical Analysis, or how Boxers were rated on the dangerous dog scale.
Anecdotal responses are still allowed I believe!

[Two Bills]