Talk of The Villages Florida - Rentals, Entertainment & More
Talk of The Villages Florida - Rentals, Entertainment & More
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The number of rounds played in TV has increased significantly every year, surpassing 2 million in 2015. Although they have added courses, those of us who have been here for 10 years or more will confirm that it gets harder every year to get desired tee times on desired courses. Each year you have to increase the number of courses and widen the time range on requests in order to avoid being shut out. The organization of the maintenance program in TV is exactly as it should be. If we follow your logic in the previous post, then any large company or corporation should not utilize suppliers or sub-contractors and should do it all themselves. With all the courses to be maintained, it only makes sense to contract it out to companies that do this as their sole business activity. This is not the easy way out. It is the most efficient. Eric and GMS manage the contractors rather than manage the mass of individuals that would be required by your example. Every year we go through "Miserable May" as the courses recover from the high season play and overseeding followed by the necessary aeration. And every year they get back to good condition.
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for ddharold...I have tried many times to get an answer why not new grasses and have NEVER got an answer. Doc is correct in everything he says. Mike will always defend the ancient practices of maintaining these courses. Palmer is still closed, anyone know why or is it still a secret. Only May are you kidding me? Our Champ courses are not good and rarely are good. Played World Woods today now thats what we should expect all the time not excuse after excuse.
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Almost all courses go through occasional rough stretches. Overall, I'm very satisfied with the current system. |
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I agree, I've seen Pebble during a drought and they water and maintain the greens only. With our executive courses they don't have much more than the greens to maintain. It's the greens that are the problem here. As I stated before, if we knew what percentage of the total amenity fees collected goes toward exec golf, we would know how much we each pay. Unless we know that number, we don't know what we pay to play the execs. While I can certainly understand courses getting damaged from a high amount of play, like I said, if they're getting that much play, they should be getting more income. And there is no excuse for the condition of the greens that I've seen. Like I've stated so far I've seen deplorable and horrendous. No amount of play should result in the condition that we currently have. I don't know the income or budgets for these courses, but I still maintain that having the maintenance done in house rather than contracting it out would yield better results.
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Secondly, as I have stated with so many more residents TV is gaining more in amenity fees so they should be able to budget more for proper maintenance. It seems that we have hundreds, if not thousands of employees in TV that do very little. Guards at some of the gates, some rec centers have more people than needed, greeters in the sales departments, yet, the golf courses are not being maintained. I don't know the income and the budgets so I won't jump to any conclusions, but it's obvious that some people not doing their jobs or money is being spent in the wrong places. I'd like to see annual dues and no green fees at some of the country clubs. That is how most private and semi-private clubs work up north. We're told that we're members at all of these country clubs but what does that really mean? We get to pay the same green fee as everyone else. We get to eat in the restaurants that are pen to the general public? It's very easy to give away something that is worthless.
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Golf Course Conditions - Per Eric Van Gorder, Director of Executive Golf Maintenance
Agree. At least as an option.
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Well some of you posters must have forgotten the tagline associated with moving to "The Villages" "Live like a millionaire on your retirement savings".......................................... ..
Some of you must have forgotten that the agreement "amenities bundled together for a set amenities fee (PR)that only went up with a CPI increase and/or as AFDR which is the max amenity + CPI. all homeowners (sites) pay an amenity fee." To even suggest charging a green fee for executive courses and/or an annual fee for championships courses is proposing a Faustian Bargain. Clearly either because of pressures within or greed or both the tension between amenity fees and amenities is already too taut As stated all amenities are bundled. You don't get to choose what amenities you want and pay for each separately. Use or lose I have some questions concerning amenitiy fees that I addressed to both the POA and the District and never received an acceptable response. My advice is tread very careful on this subject ( (amenity fees) and pay close attention to the politics surrounding its application. As to the executive golf courses this same situation has existed every spring for the 10 years I have lived here despite the fact that people were fired and new contractors hired. Personal Best Regards: |
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I enjoy our discussions and appreciate and understand your concerns. What I tend to respond to are hyperbolic posts that unfairly, IMO, denigrate the efforts I know for a fact are being made to maintain the courses. We can certainly discuss how effective they are.
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Mike is correct TPC is replacing greens. They are going from Miniverde Bermuda to Tifeagle Bermuda because it will hold up to damp ,cold winters better. Interesting is that they will reopen for play in November so closed for 6 months. How long was Tierra closed for or the Hacienda 9 or the Glenview 9 and really did anyone notice a difference?
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