[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And may I suggest the number one first pick to go?????

Oh! Oh! Pick me! Pick MEEE!!! 🙏🙃☺️🙃☺️

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Hape2Bhr

Like a couple of very large Euro Asian countries do now?

I think they 5 finger discount it being they don’t recognize patent/trademark laws.

[AMB444]

Originally Posted by opinionist

There are people who have the spirit of adventure and would risk their lives to experience the unknown. I say let them go for it...

This!

Let's send all the extroverts.

[AMB444]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

No exploration is ever accomplished on their own dime. Everyone reaps the benefits through advancements in all fields. If Columbus hadn't had help from the Spanish crown, where would we be today, I wonder?

Uh oh!

Can. Open. Worms everywhere.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by AMB444

Uh oh!

Can. Open. Worms everywhere.

So far, so good! 😏

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Oh! Oh! Pick me! Pick MEEE!!! 🙏🙃☺️🙃☺️

C'mon, you know you're the second pick and you know who #1 is as well

[AMB444]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

So far, so good! 😏

Don't survey any college kids about this issue.

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

No exploration is ever accomplished on their own dime. Everyone reaps the benefits through advancements in all fields. If Columbus hadn't had help from the Spanish crown, where would we be today, I wonder?
As for living on Mars, terra-forming can grow plants to create an atmosphere that will alter the temperature, etc. Where there is a will, there is a way.

I don't think there was any altruistic or scientific motivation on the part of the Spanish Crown, not finding a shorter way to the orient they lucked out and raped, pillaged and plundered the native americans to their great proffit, as for growing plants it would take a huge amount of energy to keep spaces warm enough for plants to grow , lacking a magnetic field the solar wind would keep draining away your atmosphere and produce much more radiation than most plants could stand

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

C'mon, you know you're the second pick and you know who #1 is as well

Awww! I hate always being the number 2.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

I don't think there was any altruistic or scientific motivation on the part of the Spanish Crown, not finding a shorter way to the orient they lucked out and raped, pillaged and plundered the native americans to their great proffit, as for growing plants it would take a huge amount of energy to keep spaces warm enough for plants to grow , lacking a magnetic field the solar wind would keep draining away your atmosphere and produce much more radiation than most plants could stand

Growing food on Mars seemed very doable on the Martian.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

I don't think there was any altruistic or scientific motivation on the part of the Spanish Crown, not finding a shorter way to the orient they lucked out and raped, pillaged and plundered the native americans to their great proffit, as for growing plants it would take a huge amount of energy to keep spaces warm enough for plants to grow , lacking a magnetic field the solar wind would keep draining away your atmosphere and produce much more radiation than most plants could stand

Who said anything about altruistic motives, although it is possible. Chris was motivated in part by science. He believed the world is round and wanted to prove it. The Spanish bought into his claim for the potential gain they would receive, and the rest of Europe profited as well.
That's the way it works. Someone comes up with a possible answer to a question, but they need some kind of help or support to accomplish the necessary task. They sell it as a potential benefit to investors. The scientist/explorer gets to solve their riddle, and, if successful, the investors reap their reward.
And, often, research/exploration leads to unforeseen discoveries and benefits. And, society benefits.
Remember the old saying, "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
Seekers! Searchers! Explorers are we humans! To the Moon. To Mars. To the stars and beyond. We are made of star stuff, and to the stars we will return one day.
✨️

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Who said anything about altruistic motives, although it is possible. Chris was motivated in part by science. He believed the world is round and wanted to prove it. The Spanish bought into his claim for the potential gain they would receive, and the rest of Europe profited as well.
That's the way it works. Someone comes up with a possible answer to a question, but they need some kind of help or support to accomplish the necessary task. They sell it as a potential benefit to investors. The scientist/explorer gets to solve their riddle, and, if successful, the investors reap their reward.
And, often, research/exploration leads to unforeseen discoveries and benefits. And, society benefits.
Remember the old saying, "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
Seekers! Searchers! Explorers are we humans! To the Moon. To Mars. To the stars and beyond. We are made of star stuff, and to the stars we will return one day.
✨️

In about 5 billion years our sun will be getting to the point of being a Red Giant it will expand to the point of encompassing the orbit of earth, we won't have to go to it, it will reclaim us, Mars might be a better place then

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Who said anything about altruistic motives, although it is possible. Chris was motivated in part by science. He believed the world is round and wanted to prove it. The Spanish bought into his claim for the potential gain they would receive, and the rest of Europe profited as well.
That's the way it works. Someone comes up with a possible answer to a question, but they need some kind of help or support to accomplish the necessary task. They sell it as a potential benefit to investors. The scientist/explorer gets to solve their riddle, and, if successful, the investors reap their reward.
And, often, research/exploration leads to unforeseen discoveries and benefits. And, society benefits.
Remember the old saying, "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
Seekers! Searchers! Explorers are we humans! To the Moon. To Mars. To the stars and beyond. We are made of star stuff, and to the stars we will return one day.
✨️

Actually, everyone with any education at the time knew the world was spherical. Only the uneducated believed it was flat (as some still do today). Eratosthenes actually measured the circumference of the Earth pretty accurately in 300 BC.

[Two Bills]

They deep-fry Mars Bars in batter in Scotland.
Funny old world.

[Blueblaze]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

No exploration is ever accomplished on their own dime. Everyone reaps the benefits through advancements in all fields. If Columbus hadn't had help from the Spanish crown, where would we be today, I wonder?
As for living on Mars, terra-forming can grow plants to create an atmosphere that will alter the temperature, etc. Where there is a will, there is a way.

Yeah, we are all better off back in feudal times, when our betters owned everything for our own good, right?

'Ole Chris just went to where the money was. And his investor reaped so much profit in stolen Indian gold that the resulting inflation made sure the Spanish crown never had the wealth to invest in anything ever again. Odd that the "experts" didn't see that coming.

As for "terra-forming" Mars, isn't that sorta like killing off the buffalo to grow wheat, or even throwing another log on the fire to break the cycle of ice ages? I thought we were against manipulating environments for our own benefit, these days.

But if you really think we ought to make Mars livable, why not start with a much easier project -- Antarctica!