put enough resources behind it you could send some astronauts and bring them back (hopefully) but as a permanent habitation seems like pie in the sky at this point, when Mars lost its magnetic field it lost most of its atmosphere and liquid water. Cold enough now that you have frozen CO2 in the polar region, perhaps I missed it but could not find any source , online, thinking terraforming has much of a chance

Like a couple of very large Euro Asian countries do now? barf

We should be able to fix any of earth’s problems long before we are capable of terraforming Mars. Obviously if we can make Mars habitable we can fix any climate issues or whatever happens here. If the sun explodes we need to go way further than Mars.

Apart from all that would I look for a Martian home on MLS or VLS?

I was speaking for mankind. I doubt I will be around.

You are right.

And yet current NASA plans are for a manned Mars orbit in 2033 and a manned landing in 2039. Doubt they'll meet those goals, but I think it will be a lot sooner than 100 years.

I don't think humans would survive the year long trip first of all.

The earth is the only habitable planet/moon in the solar system. It is a waste of scarce resources to endeavor to live on any other place. We should spend our time and resources keeping this planet habitable. Anything else would be folly.

And yet humans have the ability and technology to make uninhabitable environments habitable. A continuous presence at the South pole and the ISS come immediately to mind. Folly would be to confine our species to just one planet in the future----after all, things happen to planets

What/where are Euro Asian countries?

According to what I recently read, it is a nine month journey just to get to Mars. All you need is just one person to be slightly tilted off center, or to have two people take an immediate dislike to each other to cause the whole trip to malfunction. I imagine someone will say "well the powers that be will have to test people for this, that and the other"and still you will have someone unstable in that capsule. Nine months is a very long time.

Has anyone asked Marvin his opinion?

IYKYK

Agreed
 

I think maybe humankind has already been to the other 8 planets as well as others and already screwed them up like we’re doing to Earth.

If your intent is to come up with reasons not to do something then it is easy to create a long list and do nothing. I suspect the various space agencies have bigger fish to fry such as shielding against high energy particles. By the way, the record for consecutive days in space is about 15 months. I'm pretty sure the Russian who holds that record didn't flip out or get in any fights with his crew members. An initial roundtrip mission to Mars will be a bit longer at about 21 months, depending on the date you depart and return (because of the orbital mechanics) and how much time is spent either in orbit around Mars or on the surface. There are some optimal times to go because of the orbital mechanics. 2033 is the earliest optimal time that it could happen (based on planning), but I suspect the probability of it actually happening is low because of budget and lack of certain technologies.

Interesting post.

First of all, there are only 7 other planets in our solar system (Pluto is no longer classified as a planet), and "humankind" has not been to any of them. We have had probes land on 2 of them and flew by the rest.

Second, I'd be interested in knowing what "other planets" outside our solar system we have been to. After all, at our current max speed of about 25,000 mph, even if our nearest star (Proxima Centuri) had a planetary system, it would take approximately 115,000 years to get there. This means we had to launch an interstellar multigenerational mission before we invented the wheel.

Last, just how did we "screw up" other planets?

I'll leave it at that lest I write something that would be considered "insulting", other that to state res ipsa loquitur.

And BTW, nice first post, welcome to TOTV.

Marvin is a welcoming sort

Please
 

Please find a way to send the antisocial aliens disguised as Earthlings back to their home planet.

Doesn’t mean we’re not still an insignificant speck…having curiosity and exploring doesn’t make us any more significant…

Agreed 👍

Yes…and exactly how many people live on/at EITHER of those places? And at what expense? Hmmm 🤔?

More than 50 years ago :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

And less than in the future, especially with world population growth estimates at 10.4 billion within the next 75 years

I'd rather spend money on space exploration than handing it out to those that produce nothing

I believe the post was referring to the ancient alien theories. All the arguments in your post could be dismissed if we were colonized by far advanced alien species.

Not saying I believe ancient aliens. Just putting context to the post you responded to.

Well, the “screwing up” part is arbitrary but I’m somewhat like-minded about life from Earth having been in space far longer than we think.

First, technology has existed in the lifetimes of most of us for humankind to travel not just to the moon but to at least some of the other planets as well. Anyone ever hear of Project Orion? First proposed in the 1960s, Project Orion could have used the technology of the time to propel spacecraft via use of channeled nuclear explosions as propulsion. At first it was a combined project of NASA, DARPA and the U.S. Air Force and had the potential to reach Mars in a matter of a few weeks rather than the two-plus year trips currently talked about, and the inner Gas Giants in months. Tests were run with chemical propulsion in place of nuclear, and showed great promise until the 1963 nuclear test ban treaty put a stop to any further testing. Nevertheless the promise was there as well as the technology to actually put it into practice. The military promise alone of such a thing, especially given the mindset of our military, sort of makes it hard to believe that our military WOULDN’T pursue it. And it wouldn’t have to be on Earth: The far side of the moon, which has been reachable for decades, would serve as an ideal place, with the entire bulk of the moon serving as a shield from any prying earthbound eyes.

Second…”life from Earth” doesn’t necessarily limit such life to HUMAN life. Life has existed here for…what? 4.5 billion years? It is entirely possible IMO for life, even civilizations, to have existed here untold millennia ago with all traces being lost over time. But even if we limit it to (somewhat) human life, we humans in various forms have lived here, according to the fossil record, for millions of years and with Neanderthals and modern Homo Sapiens (somewhat later on the scene) being here for half a million years at least. It sort odd beggars belief that we’ve Been here for so long in more-or-less human form and capability, only to get smart enough to exist outside our atmosphere in the lifetimes of many if not most of us. It is entirely conceivable that such civilizations along with their technological records being totally obliterated and undiscoverable to us.

Will we find such evidence? I think so. But not here. Maybe on surfaces of space bodies without continental drift and volcanism. The Moon, maybe. Or Mars. Or Ceres. Or even the moons of Jupiter—places with little or no atmosphere and surfaces that are not in a state of constant churning. It IS possible.

:1rotfl:

That sounds a lot like: If you don't clean up your room, you can't go out to play.

Yes Mom.

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If we were "colonized" or more likely genetically manipulated by those aliens, it would have been the aliens, not humans that visited those worlds. Besides, it is highly unlikely that anything organic could stand on the "surface" of Jupiter.

Also, consider modifications of the Drake equation with the numbers we now have from space-based telescopes. It suggests that in the observable universe there are 40 TRILLION civilizations equal to or more advanced than our own. However, the distances are so great that it is unlikely any 2 would stumble over each other. Plus, Einstein would have to be wrong and FTL travel possible, or the technology to create stable artificial wormholes would have to be possible. And even then we are an insignificant planet at the edge of an insignificant galaxy far from the center of the universe that didn't even have EM transmissions of any power until 90 years ago. Could we have been found and helped by benevolent aliens in the distant past---possible, but highly improbable. Yes, there are mysteries such as the Great Pyramid, Puma Punko and Gobekli Tepe that we can't explain, but applying Occam's razor, more likely they were built with human technology and labor that was lost to us over the millennia than "aliens"

Or Matt Damon...

That's because we screwed it up!

Maybe these guys can help...

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The problem with ETs is there is nothing much other than speculation, no yardstick, the only spot we know about is good ol mother earth, one data point in a expanse of time and space that we cannot really comprehend , aside from all the things that had to go just right for life to get started here, human psychology will normalize whatever we see and think, so we look at an emesity that we cannot grasp and of course there must be other intelligent life, but with one data point??

Visit area 51 and you will understand.

Of course, at area 51 they are reverse engineering an intergalactic coffee maker, with every layer of the onion they learn, your PC talks to other PCs keeps improving itself, 3-4- 5 years in improves itself to the point it stops working, you call support and talk to someone who never had english as a first language , maybe no language spoken on earth, you make 4-5 calls get different answers some solve the problem some don't but all different answers because not even the aliens understand it

Sometimes I think the aliens are in control, especially since we started watching Resident Alien.

A lot of good things have come out of space program technology. If we want to stay ahead of Russia and China when it comes to “Space”, we had better continue to allocate resources to such endeavors as technology to land and perhaps inhabit Mars. As cruel as man is to man, we may destroy earth and most of the people as some fanatics pushes certain buttons.

Good Things
 

Please explain what good things have come out of the space program that are worth trillions of dollars spent????????????

GPS for one. Better weather forecasting. Spent a bunch of money but trillions? Not even close to that.

Teflon and Tang---both worth their weight in gold :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Don't forget titanium for golf clubs. Not worth lives and trillions...........

Several Inventions Make it Worth it
 

We have several inventions because of space travel. CAT scans, LEDs, Home computers, Freeze Dried Food, Memory Foam and Camera Cell Phones are just the tip of the iceberg.

Why so we can go ruin another planet
Hahaha