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fdpaq0580 03-05-2024 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2308002)
And may I suggest the number one first pick to go?????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Oh! Oh! Pick me! Pick MEEE!!! 🙏🙃☺️🙃☺️

Topspinmo 03-05-2024 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Hape2Bhr (Post 2305774)
Like a couple of very large Euro Asian countries do now? barf

I think they 5 finger discount it being they don’t recognize patent/trademark laws.:evil6:

AMB444 03-05-2024 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by opinionist (Post 2305546)
There are people who have the spirit of adventure and would risk their lives to experience the unknown. I say let them go for it...

This!

Let's send all the extroverts. :1rotfl:

AMB444 03-05-2024 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2307999)
No exploration is ever accomplished on their own dime. Everyone reaps the benefits through advancements in all fields. If Columbus hadn't had help from the Spanish crown, where would we be today, I wonder?

Uh oh!

Can. Open. Worms everywhere.

:1rotfl:

fdpaq0580 03-05-2024 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AMB444 (Post 2308016)
Uh oh!

Can. Open. Worms everywhere.

:1rotfl:

So far, so good! 😏

golfing eagles 03-05-2024 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2308005)
Oh! Oh! Pick me! Pick MEEE!!! 🙏🙃☺️🙃☺️

C'mon, you know you're the second pick and you know who #1 is as well:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

AMB444 03-05-2024 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2308037)
So far, so good! 😏

Don't survey any college kids about this issue. :laugh:

jimbomaybe 03-05-2024 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2307999)
No exploration is ever accomplished on their own dime. Everyone reaps the benefits through advancements in all fields. If Columbus hadn't had help from the Spanish crown, where would we be today, I wonder?
As for living on Mars, terra-forming can grow plants to create an atmosphere that will alter the temperature, etc. Where there is a will, there is a way.

I don't think there was any altruistic or scientific motivation on the part of the Spanish Crown, not finding a shorter way to the orient they lucked out and raped, pillaged and plundered the native americans to their great proffit, as for growing plants it would take a huge amount of energy to keep spaces warm enough for plants to grow , lacking a magnetic field the solar wind would keep draining away your atmosphere and produce much more radiation than most plants could stand

fdpaq0580 03-05-2024 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2308040)
C'mon, you know you're the second pick and you know who #1 is as well:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Awww! I hate always being the number 2.

Stu from NYC 03-05-2024 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbomaybe (Post 2308045)
I don't think there was any altruistic or scientific motivation on the part of the Spanish Crown, not finding a shorter way to the orient they lucked out and raped, pillaged and plundered the native americans to their great proffit, as for growing plants it would take a huge amount of energy to keep spaces warm enough for plants to grow , lacking a magnetic field the solar wind would keep draining away your atmosphere and produce much more radiation than most plants could stand

Growing food on Mars seemed very doable on the Martian.:bigbow:

fdpaq0580 03-05-2024 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbomaybe (Post 2308045)
I don't think there was any altruistic or scientific motivation on the part of the Spanish Crown, not finding a shorter way to the orient they lucked out and raped, pillaged and plundered the native americans to their great proffit, as for growing plants it would take a huge amount of energy to keep spaces warm enough for plants to grow , lacking a magnetic field the solar wind would keep draining away your atmosphere and produce much more radiation than most plants could stand

Who said anything about altruistic motives, although it is possible. Chris was motivated in part by science. He believed the world is round and wanted to prove it. The Spanish bought into his claim for the potential gain they would receive, and the rest of Europe profited as well.
That's the way it works. Someone comes up with a possible answer to a question, but they need some kind of help or support to accomplish the necessary task. They sell it as a potential benefit to investors. The scientist/explorer gets to solve their riddle, and, if successful, the investors reap their reward.
And, often, research/exploration leads to unforeseen discoveries and benefits. And, society benefits.
Remember the old saying, "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
Seekers! Searchers! Explorers are we humans! To the Moon. To Mars. To the stars and beyond. We are made of star stuff, and to the stars we will return one day.
✨️

jimbomaybe 03-06-2024 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2308128)
Who said anything about altruistic motives, although it is possible. Chris was motivated in part by science. He believed the world is round and wanted to prove it. The Spanish bought into his claim for the potential gain they would receive, and the rest of Europe profited as well.
That's the way it works. Someone comes up with a possible answer to a question, but they need some kind of help or support to accomplish the necessary task. They sell it as a potential benefit to investors. The scientist/explorer gets to solve their riddle, and, if successful, the investors reap their reward.
And, often, research/exploration leads to unforeseen discoveries and benefits. And, society benefits.
Remember the old saying, "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
Seekers! Searchers! Explorers are we humans! To the Moon. To Mars. To the stars and beyond. We are made of star stuff, and to the stars we will return one day.
✨️

In about 5 billion years our sun will be getting to the point of being a Red Giant it will expand to the point of encompassing the orbit of earth, we won't have to go to it, it will reclaim us, Mars might be a better place then

golfing eagles 03-06-2024 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2308128)
Who said anything about altruistic motives, although it is possible. Chris was motivated in part by science. He believed the world is round and wanted to prove it. The Spanish bought into his claim for the potential gain they would receive, and the rest of Europe profited as well.
That's the way it works. Someone comes up with a possible answer to a question, but they need some kind of help or support to accomplish the necessary task. They sell it as a potential benefit to investors. The scientist/explorer gets to solve their riddle, and, if successful, the investors reap their reward.
And, often, research/exploration leads to unforeseen discoveries and benefits. And, society benefits.
Remember the old saying, "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
Seekers! Searchers! Explorers are we humans! To the Moon. To Mars. To the stars and beyond. We are made of star stuff, and to the stars we will return one day.
✨️

Actually, everyone with any education at the time knew the world was spherical. Only the uneducated believed it was flat (as some still do today). Eratosthenes actually measured the circumference of the Earth pretty accurately in 300 BC.

Two Bills 03-06-2024 05:37 AM

They deep-fry Mars Bars in batter in Scotland.
Funny old world.

Blueblaze 03-06-2024 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2307999)
No exploration is ever accomplished on their own dime. Everyone reaps the benefits through advancements in all fields. If Columbus hadn't had help from the Spanish crown, where would we be today, I wonder?
As for living on Mars, terra-forming can grow plants to create an atmosphere that will alter the temperature, etc. Where there is a will, there is a way.

Yeah, we are all better off back in feudal times, when our betters owned everything for our own good, right?

'Ole Chris just went to where the money was. And his investor reaped so much profit in stolen Indian gold that the resulting inflation made sure the Spanish crown never had the wealth to invest in anything ever again. Odd that the "experts" didn't see that coming.

As for "terra-forming" Mars, isn't that sorta like killing off the buffalo to grow wheat, or even throwing another log on the fire to break the cycle of ice ages? I thought we were against manipulating environments for our own benefit, these days.

But if you really think we ought to make Mars livable, why not start with a much easier project -- Antarctica!

MDLNB 03-06-2024 09:04 AM

"Should Earthlings travel to and inhabit Mars?"

NO

golfing eagles 03-06-2024 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mdlnb (Post 2308235)
"should earthlings travel to and inhabit mars?"

no

why not???

fdpaq0580 03-06-2024 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2308150)
Actually, everyone with any education at the time knew the world was spherical. Only the uneducated believed it was flat (as some still do today). Eratosthenes actually measured the circumference of the Earth pretty accurately in 300 BC.

All true, but very few, if any had sailed west and returned home from the east. Chris felt comfortable enough to actually give it a try. And, his efforts brought a lot of discoveries and wealth to Europe.

JMintzer 03-06-2024 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2308114)
Growing food on Mars seemed very doable on the Martian.:bigbow:

If you're into potatoes...

That said, this website could certainly supply the needed fertilizer... :clap2:

Stu from NYC 03-06-2024 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2308256)
why not???

Because?

golfing eagles 03-06-2024 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2308386)
Because?

Because why??? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Stu from NYC 03-06-2024 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2308392)
Because why??? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

He is the shortstop

fdpaq0580 03-06-2024 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2308382)
If you're into potatoes...

That said, this website could certainly supply the needed fertilizer... :clap2:

I do like potatoes.
As for this website, it provides loads of that high quality manure, and so much more.

Such fun!

fdpaq0580 03-06-2024 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2308421)
He is the shortstop

1st base man, 2nd base man, 3rd base man. Describes the position one plays.
Pitcher, Catcher. Describes what one's job is.
Shortstop? Doesn't really indicate if it is an object, or a person. If it is meant to describe what one's job is, shouldn't it be "Short stoper?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Baseball is a strange language!

MorTech 03-06-2024 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2307999)
As for living on Mars, terra-forming can grow plants to create an atmosphere that will alter the temperature, etc. Where there is a will, there is a way.

You are joking, riiight?

The only thing that would get me to Mars is a date with Dejah Thoris :)

Just for fun: Take a Geiger counter on a plane and turn it on at 35,000 feet. Now imagine it on Mars. Geiger counters are under 100 bucks now on Amazon.

fdpaq0580 03-07-2024 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2308434)
You are joking, riiight?

The only thing that would get me to Mars is a date with Dejah Thoris :)

Just for fun: Take a Geiger counter on a plane and turn it on at 35,000 feet. Now imagine it on Mars. Geiger counters are under 100 bucks now on Amazon.

First off, I would think it unwise to take a devise like a Geiger counter on a plane. You'd probably never get through security.
As for the your date with the Princess. I spoke with her this morning. She said she love to scramble your eggs for breakfast before taking you on a personal tour of Helium. She wants to know when she can expect you.

biker1 03-07-2024 11:16 AM

Geiger counters are not a problem for TSA.

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2308566)
First off, I would think it unwise to take a devise like a Geiger counter on a plane. You'd probably never get through security.
As for the your date with the Princess. I spoke with her this morning. She said she love to scramble your eggs for breakfast before taking you on a personal tour of Helium. She wants to know when she can expect you.


biker1 03-07-2024 11:21 AM

Yes, shielding is a problem and is the subject of R&D by NASA.

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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2308434)
You are joking, riiight?

The only thing that would get me to Mars is a date with Dejah Thoris :)

Just for fun: Take a Geiger counter on a plane and turn it on at 35,000 feet. Now imagine it on Mars. Geiger counters are under 100 bucks now on Amazon.


rustyp 03-07-2024 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 2308235)
"Should Earthlings travel to and inhabit Mars?"

NO

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2308256)
why not???

Because we will either pollute it or turn it into a golf course - probably both.

MDLNB 03-07-2024 12:06 PM

"NO" because it is not habitable for humans, UNLESS you can live without oxygen and survive the cold. You are better off building a habitat under the ocean than on Mars. Just remember that any emergency assistance is about 9 months away....if you are lucky. On the other hand, what the private sector does is none of my business. What the gov does with taxpayer money IS our business and they spend frivolously as it is. In my opinion, if we are serious about migration to Mars, we should first use unmanned equipment to make the planet habitable, before sending humans on one way suicide missions. Let the private sector fund the experiment.

Dusty_Star 03-07-2024 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 2308587)
"NO" because it is not habitable for humans, UNLESS you can live without oxygen and survive the cold. You are better off building a habitat under the ocean than on Mars. Just remember that any emergency assistance is about 9 months away....if you are lucky. On the other hand, what the private sector does is none of my business. What the gov does with taxpayer money IS our business and they spend frivolously as it is. In my opinion, if we are serious about migration to Mars, we should first use unmanned equipment to make the planet habitable, before sending humans on one way suicide missions. Let the private sector fund the experiment.

If the private sector funds it, then you will be looking at billboards in the sky.

golfing eagles 03-07-2024 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2308572)
Because we will either pollute it or turn it into a golf course - probably both.

So, in other words, the answer is yes (to golf, not pollution)

rustyp 03-07-2024 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 2308235)
"Should Earthlings travel to and inhabit Mars?"

NO

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2308256)
why not???

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2308572)
Because we will either pollute it or turn it into a golf course - probably both.

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2308603)
So, in other words, the answer is yes (to golf, not pollution)

What do you call the 19th hole on the red planet ? A Mars Bar !

fdpaq0580 03-08-2024 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2308611)
What do you call the 19th hole on the red planet ? A Mars Bar !

Good one!

What is Marvin the Martian's K-9 companions name?

MDLNB 03-09-2024 07:52 AM

Why should we go to Mars? We can see everything we wish of Mars by remote controlled equipment. If we send someone up there, will they survive? Will they make the long trip back? Have we sent anything up there, landed successfully AND made it back to Earth? I guess if some believe that man can change the climate on Earth, then they can go to Mars and warm it up and create oxygen from CO2. Since I know that living on Mars will never have any affect on me, I really don't care if some private money goes into the effort. However, I do not wish to see our taxpayer money go to the effort. Do I care if our sun goes out? Nope, because it won't happen in my lifetime, and probably not in my great-great-great grandchildren's lifetime. I personally believe that man's existence is based solely on God's plan for us, not on man believing they are gods and can have any choice in the matter.
Man travel to Mars? Why? Because they can? Good luck, just don't force me to contribute to the effort. Not interested in encouraging folks to go there just because they can, or think they can. There are many cheaper ways to commit suicide here on earth.

fdpaq0580 03-09-2024 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 2309014)
Why should we go to Mars? We can see everything we wish of Mars by remote controlled equipment. If we send someone up there, will they survive? Will they make the long trip back? Have we sent anything up there, landed successfully AND made it back to Earth? I guess if some believe that man can change the climate on Earth, then they can go to Mars and warm it up and create oxygen from CO2. Since I know that living on Mars will never have any affect on me, I really don't care if some private money goes into the effort. However, I do not wish to see our taxpayer money go to the effort. Do I care if our sun goes out? Nope, because it won't happen in my lifetime, and probably not in my great-great-great grandchildren's lifetime. I personally believe that man's existence is based solely on God's plan for us, not on man believing they are gods and can have any choice in the matter.
Man travel to Mars? Why? Because they can? Good luck, just don't force me to contribute to the effort. Not interested in encouraging folks to go there just because they can, or think they can. There are many cheaper ways to commit suicide here on earth.

How do you know that going to Mars isn’t part of God's plan?

MDLNB 03-09-2024 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2309031)
How do you know that going to Mars isn’t part of God's plan?

I don't believe that I said it isn't in HIS plan. I was suggesting that some feel that they can change the climate here, therefore god-like egos. I have no more interest in someone putting a country flag on Mars than I do when someone breaks a home run record in baseball or rushing record in football. As for putting a man on Mars is concerned, I believe it's just more frivolous spending of taxpayer's hard earned money. And like I said before, if the private sector wishes to waste their money, so be it.

fdpaq0580 03-09-2024 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 2309156)
I don't believe that I said it isn't in HIS plan. I was suggesting that some feel that they can change the climate here, therefore god-like egos. I have no more interest in someone putting a country flag on Mars than I do when someone breaks a home run record in baseball or rushing record in football. As for putting a man on Mars is concerned, I believe it's just more frivolous spending of taxpayer's hard earned money. And like I said before, if the private sector wishes to waste their money, so be it.

"God-like egos". Hardly! If I believed I could control the climate by myself with just a thought, that would be God-like. But, with the help of over 8 billion of my human brothers and sisters and all the ingenuity and machines and factories, ships, etc, it is more than possible. Hardly God-like.
Great endeavors bring amazing scientific discovery that save lives, and can help protect our country and much more. Hardly what I would call frivolous spending. It is a normal part of living as part of a society.

simplesimonsaid 03-10-2024 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2309031)
How do you know that going to Mars isn’t part of God's plan?

Which one controls space travel?

fdpaq0580 03-10-2024 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by simplesimonsaid (Post 2309286)
Which one controls space travel?

Which what controls space travel? Which God, which rule? Please be more spac-ific ������


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