[Bay Kid]

Just look at what Hollywood does with guns. There are shows that kill many people every show. Gun control is just about control.

[Wyseguy]

So was their attire. Can anyone imagine George Washington or Thomas Jefferson in a wife beater shirt with a crass logo on it, wearing baggy shorts and Nike sneakers with no socks (hosiery) topped off with a baseball cap worn backwards? Maybe having some piercings, multiple earrings and facial tattoos?

Now it is all I can imagine.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser View Post
Lighter recoil is an equally important reason for the military going to the 22 caliber cartridge. Teaching recruits to handle higher recoil cartridges would be more difficult and time-consuming.

I believe you are mistaken, but I am willing to research it. Are you sure you meant to say the military went to a 22 caliber cartridge?

[Wyseguy]

Interesting fact. More people are killed each year with hammers and with fists that all rifles combined. What do we do about that?


OK, anyone caught using their arms and fists to kill someone has their arms cut off and incinerated, then make them wear a t-shirt that says arms are meant for hugging.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

Originally Posted by jimjamuser View Post
Lighter recoil is an equally important reason for the military going to the 22 caliber cartridge. Teaching recruits to handle higher recoil cartridges would be more difficult and time-consuming.

I believe you are mistaken, but I am willing to research it. Are you sure you meant to say the military went to a 22 caliber cartridge?

When we went to Barstow/Ft. Irwin to practice, some rifles had 22 adapters to save on ammunition costs. It wasn’t a caliber used for wartime. Basic training installations and academy programs almost always used 22s for practice.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by Normal

When we went to Barstow/Ft. Irwin to practice, some rifles had 22 adapters to save on ammunition costs. It wasn’t a caliber used for wartime.

Thank you for clearing that up. I guess the caliber does not matter too much if you are looking to get the movements into memory.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

A well-worn and oiled PUMP-ACTION rifle or shotgun can be fired by an expert faster than a semi-auto.

I'm sorry to question you but I just do not see that as being true. Of course if you gave my Mother in Law an AR15, and I had a pump action shotgun there is a CHANCE I could fire more quickly. In the hands of shooters with similar skills I do not see a pump action ever being as fast (and definitely not as accurate) as a semi auto.

[Kenklaw]

The 2nd amendment is meant to protect the citizenry from governmental over-reach not to protect the government from the citizens. As well as personal protection from would be attacks from criminals.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

$5,000 per rifle? Not many AR’s selling for that. Even my better 1911 pistols don’t reach that unless they’re custom built.

I guess we can expect you to carpet bomb us with “your views” now that you’ve returned?

I always wanted to purchase a 1911, as that was the gun I was taught on. This was before the government switched to the 92 9mm Beretta.
It is just imo a superior simple consistent choice. Price and comfort always lead me to purchase something different.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

I'm sorry to question you but I just do not see that as being true. Of course if you gave my Mother in Law an AR15, and I had a pump action shotgun there is a CHANCE I could fire more quickly. In the hands of shooters with similar skills I do not see a pump action ever being as fast (and definitely not as accurate) as a semi auto.

We are certainly fortunate that many mass shooters don’t use shotguns. They are much more devastating in certain situations. Imagine if a pump with extenders was used in Uvalde. There would have been a lot more victims than we had for sure.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Normal

We are certainly fortunate that many mass shooters don’t use shotguns. They are much more devastating in certain situations. Imagine if a pump with extenders was used in Uvalde. There would have been a lot more victims than we had for sure.

Bingo.

Maybe we should be thankful for media vilifying the AR-15 - type weapon instead of other freely-available weapons that could cause a lot more damage.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Sarah_W

Disarming their citizens is what allowed Australia to forcefully remove people from their homes and put them into Covid concentration camps.
Video: Australia forcing people into quarantine camps despite negative COVID tests, reports say | American Military News

It is easy to take away your Rights when you can't defend yourself.

Police State: Australia Recaptures Three Teens Who Escaped COVID Concentration Camp

Australia did NOT disarm its citizens. And I would NOT recommend that for America. Australia DID melt down its semi-auto rifles which were causing its mass murders to increase. After Australia did that, mass murders went to zero. That is what I am saying and it is a historic lesson that America should be aware of (most aren't) and seek to emulate. The US has an INCREASING mass murder PROBLEM and the Australian example is a SOLUTION. This mass murder PROBLEM likely will increase more and could come to TV Land, which has some soft targets like big churches and the squares. At least I have proposed a SOLUTION to this problem. It may not be a perfect solution because it would change the status quo and the hooks in America by the gun lobby. I am not for gun confiscation in America or for taking away the means to prevent government tyranny. I am for sporting rifles that could be used in the RARE case of an American government going crazy ballistic against its citizens. These AR-15-type weapons and Russian Ak-47-type rifles are just OVERKILL for US civilian use and are the weapons of choice for mass murderers. I am saying that there should be a BALANCE between what the NRA wants to see a US citizen and the wanton, INCREASING mass murders of children and adults that we ARE experiencing and that we WILL be experiencing. BALANCE is everything!
As far as Australia and COVID go.......I don't live in Australia, so I am not expert enough on the Australian medical system and the severity of its Covid outbreak to say whether they did the wrong thing or the right thing in THEIR case. I just applaud their SOLUTION to their mass murder problem and I WISH that America could follow their example!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Sarah_W

Clearly you've never been hunting. A bolt action rifle is not lighter than a semi automatic rifle. Most hunters use semi automatic rifles and shotguns for small game, large game, and foul. Hunters are extremely safe with their firearm manipulations and don't "spray bullets around" nor do they "hope". Hunting is a skille and humanely taking the prey is an art form. I'm happy to take you hunting so that you can speak from experience.

Sorry, but I have done plenty of hunting. I have a mounted pronghorn antelope to prove that. I shot a badger with a bow and arrow. I have shot many squirrels, pheasants, doves, crows, quail, rabbits, and snakes with a Noble manufactured 16 gauge shotgun that my parents gave me for a present when I was 12. I had a large collection of antique military bolt action rifles which I restored and did some gunsmithing on. I had a subscription to outdoor life for 20 years, and also some gun magazines when they were devoted to hunting rifles. About 1980 the gun magazines started to run articles mostly about modern military man killing rifles and I STOPPED buying them. I also hunted fish underwater with a speargun extensively when I lived in Miami. Saw many large barracuda and sea turtles but never a shark underwater. My father caught one while we were fishing. I also carried a rifle for protection one summer in bear country in Alaska. And about 5 years ago, I hunted in the Ocala national forest off of rt.42 near TV Land.
........ So, basically, I have seen my share of hunting and fishing activity. I am not some newbie as might be imagined. When I talk about guns, I have a background. Some can disagree with my conclusions but they can't discount me as some neophyte!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Sarah_W

Clearly you've never been hunting. A bolt action rifle is not lighter than a semi automatic rifle. Most hunters use semi automatic rifles and shotguns for small game, large game, and foul. Hunters are extremely safe with their firearm manipulations and don't "spray bullets around" nor do they "hope". Hunting is a skille and humanely taking the prey is an art form. I'm happy to take you hunting so that you can speak from experience.

I think I said that a single shot was light and many expert hunters carried them for non-dangerous game trophy hunting. As far as hunters are so safe and conscientious ......I can't tell you how many times on the opening day of deer season, that I have observed hunters pointing their guns at me and using their scope to determine if I was a deer or whatever. I have seen pheasant hunters get sprayed luckily at long distances by shot pellets from other hunters. And I have seen pictures of farmers that have written "COW" on their animals right before opening day - when most of the hunters are completely DRUNK. I have no illusions about the accuracy of the shots of these drunk hunters. Trust me, don't go hunting eastern deer in any eastern state with thick forests on opening day without a bulletproof vest!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Sarah_W

Again, clearly this is not the voice of experience but the voice of fantasy. A wolf can do a short burst from 31-37 mph. American Pronghorn Antelope can hit a top speed of 61 mph. Hunters shoot them every year.

Yes for wolves, but they mainly get shot when they are stationary with the !st shot. If there is ANY cover nearby the wolf will disappear before a 2nd shot can happen.
.......Antelope are a lot easier to shoot because their usual habitat is the flat open plains. Their only defense is their keen eyesight, but ANY hunter that can hit them at 200 yards will be successful. Incidentally, I hunted antelope with a bow for 2 weeks. I did not cheat and make a blind at a water hole and wait for them like a terrorist like most hunters do . I actually gave them a sporting chance by stalking them. Stalking in that case meant CRAWLING for 150 yards through thorny cacti to get within 50 yards of them. It was virtually impossible, but it was the greatest hunt that I ever involved myself with. Most of the time the herd spooked. It was hard to wait to they ALL had their heads done and eating. I got lots of cuts and discomfort in those 2 weeks and I never got one with a bow. But, it was great outdoor activity and a lot of meditation thrown in. Most people think that hunters just open the car door and the game is right there to be shot. But, hunting is much MORE than that. It transports you back in time to a period when man's hunting skills determined if he or she ate or starved. Plus hunting helps a person to understand and appreciate the environment.