[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by drducat

The article agrees with what I said...

The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals.



Comirnaty is not being made yet.

You must have missed this post on one of the other threads:

Fact Check-Media reports have not lied about Pfizer-BioNTech’s FDA approval
Fact check: FDA has fully approved Pfizer's coronavirus vaccine
The false claim that the fully-approved Pfizer vaccine lacks liability protection
Fact Check: Pfizer vaccine fully approved
Claim that the first COVID-19 vaccine that was approved by the FDA is somehow different than the Pfizer vaccine currently available is misleading
Researcher Distorts Facts on COVID-19 Vaccine Approval, Liability

From the FactCheck article:

Malone did not respond to our request for comment, but acknowledged in an Aug. 30 tweet that he was “wrong” about the purported differences in liability. Malone told the Washington Post‘s Fact Checker: “On this particular legal liability issue I did not hunt down the details myself, and relied on comments from a third party lawyer which were not fully correct.”

Those are six separate fact checks on the same topic. Can you provide even two that support your position and don't come from Malone, Bannon, Kennedy, or the My Pillow guy?

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by Blueblaze

OK. Done that. So did all your neighbors.

So why are we still talking about this when we have neighbors SMOKING, for crying out loud! It's whole new batch of people to badger relentlessly over their personal decisions that are none of our business!

The CDC says smoking is the leading PREVENTABLE cause of death, and it kills more than 480,000 people every year, including many from SECONDHAND SMOKE! Your neighbor's smoking is a danger to your life, same as if he's an anti-vaxer!

Now that we know we can force people against their will to do what's good for them, it's time to stamp out the scourge of smoking! What do those people think this is, some kind of free country or something?

Let us not ignore the damage of staying up late watching TV. In cold war Romania, the dictator Ceausescu use to have the TV stations turned off at 10:30 every weeknight because as their dictator he knew it was best for them. If he did not they may stay up late watching TV and cause accidents, harming themselves and others at work. Wouldn't shock me if a few here think that is a great idea. Don't lives matter.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

The fallacy of this list is that "Stage 1" is in the hospital. This is because Fauci and friends (NIH, CDC, FDA, fakebook, google, twitter, youtube) suppress and censor any and all treatment options. I had COVID. I beat it back in 48 hours with a treatment classified as "misinformation" by the pundits. The real list should begin something like:

Stage 1: you don't feel well and you think might have COVID. Go get tested.

Stage 2: Ignore Fauci and begin early treatment options that are working. America's Frontline Doctors have much to offer including early treatment options. This is from many doctors who are actually treating COVID patients. Fauci has not treated anyone for COVID.

Stage 3: End of COVID infection whether vaccinated or not.

Failure to do the above and just waiting at home with no treatment to see what your body will do on its own (other than a coerced vax, this is the only recommended action by Fauci, and all the 3-letter agencies) and then you have a good chance of a hospital visit.

Not getting vaccinated is not the problem. Suppression of valid, effective treatment options in order to coerce vaccination is the problem. Think for yourselves. Don't let anyone do it for you.

I (not vaccinated and staying that way) was infected along with my friend Rich (Pfizer vax) on Aug 18 at a local pub. We both got mildly sick (fever, headache, etc) at the same time and we both tested positive for the Delta variant. I took immediate action (already had "prohibited" meds on hand and ready to go from Frontline Doctors). I had enough for Rich and offered them to him. He refused preferring to rely on his Pfizer promise. A week later he was not improving and went in for the monoclonal crap. It will be 5 weeks tomorrow and he is still too weak to go out for a beer. My recovery was so fast (48 hours) that I didn't even infect my wife who shares a bed with me. No, Rich is not dead. Pfizer may have kept him from getting deathly ill. But, he is still a mess 5 weeks later.

I went and got the anti-body test and I now have robust natural immunity.

I know many of you will just file this under "misinformation". Do so at your own peril or that of your relatives who like me will never bow to Saint Anthony (fauci).

P. S. I am 64 and Rich is 67

I have no idea what "prohibited meds" from "frontline doctors" is, but since monoclonal antibodies were referred to as "crap", I can only assume these "prohibited meds" were about 27 levels lower than "crap". But you might be protected against horse parasites

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

You are younger than me and my husband. We are both eighty.

The other treatments that you mention may be available to those diagnosed with Covid...

But the Vaccine gives you immunity to Covid to a very high degree.

Dr. Fauci is a scientist. I respect his background and his opinion.

How can WE reading this be sure that you tested positive for the "Delta Variant". I was not aware that there was a test for the Delta Variant available to the public.

What prohibited meds are you speaking of? Ivermectin? It isn't prohibited. Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19 | FDA

The antibody treatment is free and available in The Villages but it is easier to be vaccinated.

I feel skeptical about some of the things you said.

GG, you were much kinder than I. Almost all of what was said could be used to fertilize about 12,000 acres of farmland.

[John Mayes]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

That is why there is a need for vaccine mandates.

I disagree. That is not a reason for vaccine mandates.

As has been discussed on this forum ad nauseam, the federal government has no place in trying to issue a national mandate. They never have and, in my opinion, would never stand up constitutionally. If individual states wish to do so, they can for those institutions that are under their control.

Mandates, such as vaccine requirements are a slippery slope. What you deem as a public health necessity can be be contorted by others in the future to impose mandates that you may very well find inappropriate or invasive.

My philosophy is to take care of yourself to the point possible and let others make their own decisions.

[John Mayes]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Awesome, good for you!

Meanwhile, my sister ended up sick as a dog for three months, because of someone JUST LIKE YOU.

The downside is, she -can't- vaccinate because of a bloodclotting disorder. So people JUST LIKE YOU will continue roaming freely, coughing their way through life.

So, with the pre-existing conditions you described, your sister didn’t take extra precautions to avoid being exposed?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

OR…… BECAUSE WE LIVE IN FL…..YOU CAN HAVE THESE STAGES OF COVID

Stage 1: out of nowhere your hit with a headache, fever and a burning cough
Stage 2: you take a home Covid test……it’s positive……
Stage 3: you go online and register for monoclonal antibodies treatment at Barn Storm….you get in that day
Stage 4: you choose between IV or 4 shots…..if you have symptoms go for the IV it works faster
Stage 5: you go home call your doctor for a phone apt, your doctor orders a ZPac and prednisone
Stage 6: you stay home for 10 days, take your medicine, get rest, drink tons of water and take a short walk every day
Stage 7: on day 11 you feel good you may still have a small cough but all and all the monoclonal did it’s job.
Stage 8: now you have Natural immunity not a leaky shot immunity, the chances of get Covid again are very very slim……unlike all the breakthrough cases

No I don’t wish Covid on anyone but there are ways to walk through this without getting really sick. FYI the infusion is for anyone vax and non-vax a like.

I am so over everyone trying to push their beliefs on others and if you think that vax people don’t get really sick and even die you are sadly missed informed

This vax vs non-vax is worse then the election……..stop the hate and just do YOU

I will "assume that it is an"attempt" at being helpful. However, it fails on, at least, 2 logical fronts - seems like trying to have your cake and eating it too - and it would actually ENCOURAGE risky behavior.
........It seems motivated by an impulse to distrust government and medical experts.
.........It is like a person pointing a finger at the government and saying, "you can't make me......I am a free spirit......a rugged individual......owing no allegiance to any entity, except myself"
Denmark has an 86% vaccine rate and has achieved the "holy grail" of herd immunity and has declared a complete return to normal. New Zealand has .6 persons per 100,000 CV deaths ....one of the world's lowest. The US, for comparison, has 207 per 100,000 Russia says it has 112 Finland has 19 South Korea has 4
.......IMO......just saying.....SOMETHING (?) is wrong with the US?

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I have no idea what "prohibited meds" from "frontline doctors" is, but since monoclonal antibodies were referred to as "crap", I can only assume these "prohibited meds" were about 27 levels lower than "crap". But you might be protected against horse parasites

There is a medicine that scientists, doctors, virologists all agree works to lessen the effects of covid. Instead of being happy, a certain "type" of person makes childish jokes about it. What do these nasty people gain from such behaviour?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

When both vaccinated and unvaccinated carry similar viral loads, how exactly are the unvaccinated a risk to you? New data was released by the CDC showing that vaccinated people infected with the delta variant can carry detectable viral loads similar to those of people who are unvaccinated

Point of clarification before that post misinforms even more people:

Vaccinated people who have breakthrough and carry the virus can have viral loads equal to the unvaccinated. HOWEVER, the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low. A number of posts that refer to "viral load" are making it sound like just as many vaccinated people are running around with the same viral load as the unvaccinated. That is far, far from true. It's sort of like stating that fully clothed people who contract poison ivy in the woods have exactly the same lesions as naked people who ran through the woods without stating that 95% of the naked people got poison ivy while only 0.1% of the clothed did. Which group do you think will need the most calamine lotion?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by paulajr

And…there are those…like every single person I know personally, who get cold like symptoms, plus some loss of taste and smell, and get better and move on. I hate posts like this that try to instill fear. You are probably the ones I see driving in your carts wearing a mask. 🙄

I disagree vehemently with this post.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

There is a medicine that scientists, doctors, virologists all agree works to lessen the effects of covid. Instead of being happy, a certain "type" of person makes childish jokes about it. What do these nasty people gain from such behaviour?

Care to name this "medicine that scientists, doctors, virologists all agree works to lessen the effects of covid." and who they are? The only "childish" behavior is avoiding a proven vaccine to take a bunch of garbage touted by some wackos on the internet.

[Redsmom]

Originally Posted by Cheiro

This is not a circumstance to respect a choice where such a choice is a-clear-and-present-danger to everyone else.
The unvaccinated are responsible for the recent outbreak of the disease, it is their fault that the deaths have now exceeded the US deaths of the 1918 flu (675,000) and now stands at 680,000 (48,000 in Florida). The vaccine is not a choice it is the responsible thing to do.

Amazingly, while we’re having this back-and-forth discussion, and throwing blame at the unvaccinated people (many of whom have good reasons to resist this jab) we forget who IS responsible for this virus: China, and those that funded China, to perform gain of function research.

[tvbound]

There sure a lot of previously hardcore anti-vaxxers that have died lately, due to Covid. Sadly, a large number of them have had a change of heart at the last minute, while they're on their deathbed. I can't imagine how hard it is for the doctors/nurses to have to tell them, "I'm sorry, but it's too late to get the vaccine now."

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bob.Betty

A person can go to a number of articles, opinions, doctors, etc. etc. and find the information to support their own opinions. My wife and I (both boomers) do not (and will not) get flu shots, shingles shots, covid shot, or any other shot offered to us. We have both had covid and amazingly enough survived to tell about it. In fact I personally know many people including family members and friends who have had it....NONE of them died. A person must do what is right for them, you are exposed to many harmful things everyday.
Stay clear of the golf cart paths if you don't want to get run over.

I guess that is a warning to pedestrians on the muti-type paths, "we don't stop for nobody". Mature?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Blueblaze

I you think death by Covid is gruesome, you should see death by Cancer!

Odds of dying from Covid 19: 1 in 914

Odds of dying from cancer: 1 in 533

How come we don't post cancer panic-porn on this site for old folks, where nearly everyone is already vaccinated and immune to Covid, but at high risk for cancer, for which there is no vaccine?

I see people smoking in the Villages all the time. Shouldn't we be hounding them relentlessly to quit smoking? Think of all the black lung pictures we could post and endlessly comment on! We could have a "7 stages of dying from lung cancer" thread that would make Covid look like a bout of hay fever!

I don't believe that there is a vaccine for cancer. So, they are comparable......HOW?