[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Redsmom

Amazingly, while we’re having this back-and-forth discussion, and throwing blame at the unvaccinated people (many of whom have good reasons to resist this jab) we forget who IS responsible for this virus: China, and those that funded China, to perform gain of function research.

Where it started is not nearly as important as defining the problem that this virus did indeed start and it has spread all over the planet, not just to areas that affect the U.S. Political outcome.

And this virus lives and has now mutated into the much more contagious Delta Variant and that kills and it harms and it injures and it is very dangerous to a small percentage of the population and some don't know that until they end up in the hospital.

or dead.

It isn't a problem that was engineered to change the political environment in the U.S. It started in China, spread quickly to Italy...remember February of 2020, reading about there being so many deaths that they couldn't carry the corpses away in Northern Italy? We watched, many of us, not knowing what really was happening, and I believe that that included our savvy agencies like the FDA and the CDC. Then on to country after country throughout the world. Not many parts have been spared on this planet.

Please type Johns Hopkins Covid Tracker into your browser. Johns Hopkins is a large teaching hospital in Maryland, rated number one in the U.S. for several years and it is known for it's research and it's ethics and it's expertise in many areas of medicine. It is not affiliated with the Federal Government.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Blueblaze

I you think death by Covid is gruesome, you should see death by Cancer!

Odds of dying from Covid 19: 1 in 914

Odds of dying from cancer: 1 in 533

How come we don't post cancer panic-porn on this site for old folks, where nearly everyone is already vaccinated and immune to Covid, but at high risk for cancer, for which there is no vaccine?

I see people smoking in the Villages all the time. Shouldn't we be hounding them relentlessly to quit smoking? Think of all the black lung pictures we could post and endlessly comment on! We could have a "7 stages of dying from lung cancer" thread that would make Covid look like a bout of hay fever!

I don't believe that there is a vaccine for cancer. So CV and cancer are compatible......HOW?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I don't believe that there is a vaccine for cancer. So CV and cancer are compatible......HOW?

There is now a vaccination against Cervical Cancer and related Cancers in men and is now given routinely to young teens.

HPV Vaccination: What Everyone Should Know | CDC

[tvbound]

"Where it started is not nearly as important as defining the problem"

That pretty much speaks for itself and is what we should be concentrating on.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Cheiro

This is not a circumstance to respect a choice where such a choice is a-clear-and-present-danger to everyone else.
The unvaccinated are responsible for the recent outbreak of the disease, it is their fault that the deaths have now exceeded the US deaths of the 1918 flu (675,000) and now stands at 680,000 (48,000 in Florida). The vaccine is not a choice it is the responsible thing to do.

I agree with the contents of this post.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

How do the unvaccinated hurt you? Following the science, the vaccinated carry as much of a viral load as the unvaccinated. People need to stop the bullying.

One of my concerns with the UN-vaccinated are the amount of hospital beds that are occupied by them, leaving the heath care system stressed. This is real and is happening all over the country. There was a 72 year old man who died of a heart attack when there were no ICU hospital beds available for him. This happened in Alabama I believe. That can happen anywhere and that is what concerns me.

I found an article about it........

An Alabama Man Dies After Being Turned Away From 43 Hospitals At Capacity : Coronavirus Updates : NPR

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

I knew COVID was bad, just from reports of a couple of friends who never got beyond Stage 2. But this level of description can’t be described as anything but terrifying. Every person refusing vaccination or trying to convince others to decline the vaccine should be forced to read this. Thank you for posting it.

My wife and I are both vaccinated, me with the third Pfizer shot, my wife scheduled for her third later this week. We still stay away from large crowds, socially distance, and wear masks indoors when with others. Dying as described in this article isn’t anything we want to make possible—for us or others.

Great post! Great summary!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

New data was released by the CDC showing that vaccinated people infected with the delta variant can carry detectable viral loads similar to those of people who are unvaccinated
The assumption that unvaccinated people are viral factories for more dangerous variants is false
Just as antibiotics breed resistance in bacteria, vaccines put evolutionary pressure on viruses to speed up mutations and create more virulent and dangerous variants
Viruses mutate all the time, and if you have a vaccine that doesn’t block infection completely, then the virus will mutate to evade the immune response within that person. That is one of the distinct features of the COVID shots — they’re not designed to block infection. They allow infection to occur and at best lessen the symptoms of that infection
In an unvaccinated person, the virus does not encounter the same evolutionary pressure to mutate into something stronger. So, if SARS-CoV-2 does end up mutating into more lethal strains, then mass vaccination is most likely the driver
So far, SARS-CoV-2 variants are at most 0.3% different from the original Wuhan virus. Such minor variation means the virus will not present itself as a new virus. If you’ve recovered from COVID-19, your immune system will still recognize it

Where are you getting this information from? Can you provide a link please?

[jimjamuser]

NO, nor even close. Never happened!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

Didn't they report that the vaccine was not effective against the delta variant?

NO. Definitely not! Never happened.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

It's great that most unvaccinated people who get COVID don't go to the hospital and recover just fine.

I'm glad to hear it.

Sadly, there are people who will hear that and say "you see? It's no big deal, I don't have to get vaccinated, or wear a mask, or social distance. This cough? It's just allergies, no big deal. My wheezing? Just a spring cold. Test? Nah, why bother? Even if I have COVID-19, it's likely I'll just stay in bed a day and feel fine tomorrow. No need to take ANY precautions, because I heard that "most unvaccinated people who get COVID don't go to the hospital and recover just fine."

There are MILLIONS of people who have that attitude. Those are the people who are dying in the hospitals now.

That's why some people should NOT be hearing that cheerful news, and why they need to see what actually goes on when someone IS sick with COVID, in the hospital.

I fail to understand the OVER-ZEALOUSNOUS of the anti-vaccine crowd. Why, why, and why?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by John Mayes

My point was that’s it’s an individual decision. You may think it’s a cut-and-dry choice but some don’t feel the same as you.

Many individuals are having GREAT problems making "individual decisions" because of the proliferation of media and many relatively NEW (post-1985) media channels that are engaged in misinformation. From1940 to about 1970 a person could trust the media to be telling the truth. Russia and China certainly do NOT want the US to succeed so they put out misinformation. Average people do not take the time to verify what they read on Facebook, Instagram, or other internet sites. It is hard! This particular thread about the Respiratory Therapist IS rather irrefutable, factual, informative, and sad. It is good information and is advice to LITERALLY LIVE by!

[jdulej]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Where it started is not nearly as important as defining the problem that this virus did indeed start and it has spread all over the planet, not just to areas that affect the U.S. Political outcome.

And this virus lives and has now mutated into the much more contagious Delta Variant and that kills and it harms and it injures and it is very dangerous to a small percentage of the population and some don't know that until they end up in the hospital.

or dead.

It isn't a problem that was engineered to change the political environment in the U.S. It started in China, spread quickly to Italy...remember February of 2020, reading about there being so many deaths that they couldn't carry the corpses away in Northern Italy? We watched, many of us, not knowing what really was happening, and I believe that that included our savvy agencies like the FDA and the CDC. Then on to country after country throughout the world. Not many parts have been spared on this planet.

Please type Johns Hopkins Covid Tracker into your browser. Johns Hopkins is a large teaching hospital in Maryland, rated number one in the U.S. for several years and it is known for it's research and it's ethics and it's expertise in many areas of medicine. It is not affiliated with the Federal Government.

While we are all feeling good about blaming China and Fauci for creating this weapon, let's not forget who was in charge and allowed the USA to be attacked with a biological weapon and did nothing about it (except whine).

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by SkBlogW

Great, another fear porn Covid horror story to enjoy with my coffee.

You do realize you are preaching to an audience of villagers who are probably 95% vaccinated?

We have been bombarded with covid porn horror stories for a year and a half now and they accomplish nothing.

If you are under 50 your chances of dying from covid are 25/100,000. If you are under 65 your chances of dying from influenza and pnuemonia are close to 100/100,000 That's 5 times the rate for covid.

If you are one of the over 100 million americans who have survived covid, your chances of reinfection and death are close to zero.

If you are over 65, and have never had covid, you should (in order of effectiveness)

1. Get fully vaccinated, and get booster shot when available
2. Practice social distancing, even with friends who are vaccinated
3. Lose some freakin weight, 42% of you are obese
4. Wear an N95 mask when indoors with others.

Old people have a right to be afraid of covid. They do not have a right to insist that the young and healthy or covid survivors get vaccinated. Instead of whining about others, try eating more healthy foods, take walks, go swimming, ride a bike etc.

Except for some island nations in the south pacific, and Kuwait, Americans are the fattest country on earth. Which is a major reason why we have had so many deaths from covid.

CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese

Covid: CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized were overweight or obese

Adult Obesity Facts | Overweight & Obesity | CDC.

Most Obese Countries 2021

QuickStats: Death Rates from Influenza and Pneumonia Among Persons Aged ≥65 Years, by Sex and Age Group — National Vital Statistics System, United States, 2018 | MMWR

I just made an early New Years' resolution .....to NEVER read another post with the term "covid-porn" in it. Something abnormal about that!

[Rose Ann Vinci Igoe]

Originally Posted by Boomer

I have never done a cut-and-paste from a published article, but that's the only way I could do this. Unlike other cut-and-pastes I have seen that often do not cite the source, I will do so. . .

This is what is known to research as a primary source. Primary sources are defined as first-hand accounts of a topic by people who had a connection with it.

The following article was published in the Op-Ed section of the LA Times, August 26, 2021. The writer is Karen Gallardo, a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.

(In spite of the disagreements we Villagers can have sometimes on TOTV, I think most of us have sense enough to have been vaccinated. We duly vaccinated, older and (sometimes) wiser, people do not seem to be the age-group that welcomed Covid back to another rampant run.

I have boomer friends who cannot get their adult children to be vaccinated -- not to protect their own children, not to protect themselves, and not to protect their "old" parents. Family dynamics for some are getting downright weird. . .but. . .I digress.)

Here's the article. Read it and weep.

Boomer



Op-Ed: On the front lines, here’s what the seven stages of severe COVID-19 look like


I’m a respiratory therapist. With the fourth wave of the pandemic in full swing, fueled by the highly contagious Delta variant, the trajectory of the patients I see, from admission to critical care, is all too familiar. When they’re vaccinated, their COVID-19 infections most likely end after Stage 1. If only that were the case for everyone.

Get vaccinated. If you choose not to, here’s what to expect if you are hospitalized for a serious case of COVID-19.


Stage 1. You’ve had debilitating symptoms for a few days, but now it is so hard to breathe that you come to the emergency room. Your oxygen saturation level tells us you need help, a supplemental flow of 1 to 4 liters of oxygen per minute. We admit you and start you on antivirals, steroids, anticoagulants or monoclonal antibodies. You’ll spend several days in the hospital feeling run-down, but if we can wean you off the oxygen, you’ll get discharged. You survive.

Stage 2. It becomes harder and harder for you to breathe. “Like drowning,” many patients describe the feeling. The bronchodilator treatments we give you provide little relief. Your oxygen requirements increase significantly, from 4 liters to 15 liters to 40 liters per minute. Little things, like relieving yourself or sitting up in bed, become too difficult for you to do on your own. Your oxygen saturation rapidly declines when you move about. We transfer you to the intensive care unit.

Stage 3. You’re exhausted from hyperventilating to satisfy your body’s demand for air. We put you on noninvasive, “positive pressure” ventilation — a big, bulky face mask that must be Velcro’d tightly around your face so the machine can efficiently push pressure into your lungs to pop them open so you get enough of the oxygen it delivers.

Stage 4. Your breathing becomes even more labored. We can tell you’re severely fatigued. An arterial blood draw confirms that the oxygen content in your blood is critically low. We prepare to intubate you. If you’re able to and if there’s time, we will suggest that you call your loved ones. This might be the last time they’ll hear your voice.
We connect you to a ventilator. You are sedated and paralyzed, fed through a feeding tube, hooked to a Foley catheter and a rectal tube. We turn your limp body regularly, so you don’t develop pressure ulcers — bed sores. We bathe you and keep you clean. We flip you onto your stomach to allow for better oxygenation. We will try experimental therapeutics.

Stage 5. Some patients survive Stage 4. Unfortunately, your oxygen levels and overall condition have not improved after several days on the ventilator. Your COVID-infested lungs need assistance and time to heal, something that an ECMO machine, which bypasses your lungs and oxygenates your blood, can provide. But alas, our community hospital doesn’t have that capability.

If you’re stable enough, you will get transferred to another hospital for that therapy. Otherwise, we’ll continue treating you as best we can. We’re understaffed and overwhelmed, but we’ll always give you the best care we can.

Stage 6. The pressure required to open your lungs is so high that air can leak into your chest cavity, so we insert tubes to clear it out. Your kidneys fail to filter the byproducts from the drugs we continuously give you. Despite diuretics, your entire body swells from fluid retention, and you require dialysis to help with your renal function.

The long hospital stay and your depressed immune system make you susceptible to infections. A chest X-ray shows fluid accumulating in your lung sacs. A blood clot may show up, too. We can’t prevent these complications at this point; we treat them as they present.

If your blood pressure drops critically, we will administer vasopressors to bring it up, but your heart may stop anyway. After several rounds of CPR, we’ll get your pulse and circulation back. But soon, your family will need to make a difficult decision.

Stage 7: After several meetings with the palliative care team, your family decides to withdraw care. We extubate you, turning off the breathing machinery. We set up a final FaceTime call with your loved ones. As we work in your room, we hear crying and loving goodbyes. We cry, too, and we hold your hand until your last natural breath.

I’ve been at this for 17 months now. It doesn’t get easier. My pandemic stories rarely end well.

Karen Gallardo is a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.
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great article... I copied it and posted it to my friends. thank you