[Geodyssey]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I have to say that my "common sense" is WELL above average. If scientists find a way to measure that like IQ, I would love to defend a challenge like that. And there are 7 stages of grief and now 7 stages of Covid as explained in a wonderful thread starter. God loves his hospital staff personnel and especially that Respiratory Therapist from L.A.

Covid vaccination is becoming a religion.

Thanks for helping make my point.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Geodyssey

Wrong. Anyone can do a little research and find that obesity is far more costly in terms of $ and death than covid. Especially when you consider that obesity (along with age) is a major factor in covid deaths.

Not fat = longer, happier life.

If you want to get vaccinates, go for it. If it's effective, why should you care if people are unvaccinated. In other words, mind your own business and keep out of mine.

People should do their own research re: deats from obesity vs covid. But covid has become a religion so facts are becoming irrelevant. True believers are going to believe. It's now faith-based with fat nurses as priests.

Less than 400 Americans under age 18 have died from covid. And those are probably inflated numbers too.

And once again:

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Geodyssey

Wrong. Anyone can do a little research and find that obesity is far more costly in terms of $ and death than covid. Especially when you consider that obesity (along with age) is a major factor in covid deaths.

Not fat = longer, happier life.

If you want to get vaccinates, go for it. If it's effective, why should you care if people are unvaccinated. In other words, mind your own business and keep out of mine.

People should do their own research re: deats from obesity vs covid. But covid has become a religion so facts are becoming irrelevant. True believers are going to believe. It's now faith-based with fat nurses as priests.

Less than 400 Americans under age 18 have died from covid. And those are probably inflated numbers too.

If your position is that data from sources that don't fit your opinion are questionable or inflated then I guess you will always be correct.

The 300,000 number for yearly deaths from obesity can be found from multiple sources. The 670,000+ deaths from Covid can be found from multiple sources including JHU and CDC. The 580,000+ excess deaths in 2020 can be found on the CDC pages - they were caused by something and Covid was the biggest "something" happening last year.

Why should I care if people are unvaccinated? I have answered that several times and alluded to it in the response you quoted. Did you read it?

"Research" means significantly more than finding an article the fifth page of a Duck Duck Go search that agrees with your preconceived opinion or copying a forum post from a person who emphatically asserts that they alone are right and all the "so-called scientists" were just part of a conspiracy.

[Geodyssey]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

If your position is that data from sources that don't fit your opinion are questionable or inflated then I guess you will always be correct.

The 300,000 number for yearly deaths from obesity can be found from multiple sources. The 670,000+ deaths from Covid can be found from multiple sources including JHU and CDC. The 580,000+ excess deaths in 2020 can be found on the CDC pages - they were caused by something and Covid was the biggest "something" happening last year.

Why should I care if people are unvaccinated? I have answered that several times and alluded to it in the response you quoted. Did you read it?

"Research" means significantly more than finding an article the fifth page of a Duck Duck Go search that agrees with your preconceived opinion or copying a forum post from a person who emphatically asserts that they alone are right and all the "so-called scientists" were just part of a conspiracy.

Now you're just making things up.

Want to be vaccinated? Fine. Now you're good.

People will resist your tyranny / religion.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Sad. Empathy has DIED and "greed is good" has taken its place!

We can also say freedom and personal responsibility have died, and too many are comfortable being told how to think. Perhaps some would feel more comfortable in places like NYC where they treat the people like children and government like parents; bad parents but parents just the same.

[Weiserj]

Dr. Joseph Ladapo, new Florida surgeon general, on COVID: 'We're done with fear' - Washington Times

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

We can also say freedom and personal responsibility have died, and too many are comfortable being told how to think. Perhaps some would feel more comfortable in places like NYC where they treat the people like children and government like parents; bad parents but parents just the same.

It appears one person is talking psychology and the other hard science.

They are the same as chalk and cheese.

[Weiserj]

Remdesivir Reduced Risk of Hospitalization When Given to COVID-19 Patients Early: Study

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Well it really not 100% safe now is it.

***No, just 99+% safe

I go by what I know with true cases. I have a lot of people who have had and deal with side effects from vax and have come down with Covid after being fully vax

***Let's ignore the tens of thousands in the studies and the hundreds of millions vaccinated and go by "I have a lot of people"

Can we just stop all the false info

***Yes, you can

And I don’t care what FDA, CDC and WHO and our President says.

OK, you say the vaccine is 99% safe, and we are told by the CDC that 99.8+ of those under 65 infected with covid recover fine, I would say it is still a personal choice. What is right for you may not be right for a 30 year old in perfect health. With non vaxxed people presenting the same risk to you as a vaxxed person (Oxford Study), why do you care. Take care of yourself and let others make their own choices.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by Geodyssey

It's a now a crusade for many of the vaccinated. The unvaccinated must be converted, by word or sword.

Did you see the Australian cops pepper-spraying the 70-year old lady while she lay helpless on the ground?

Soon...

It reminds me of when someone makes a poor choice. They go on a crusade to say everyone must do as they did. Perhaps it makes them feel less foolish if everyone makes the same choice as they did. The threat of covid is wildly different for different people. Depending on age and health, a very reasonable argument can be made not to get the jab.

[graciegirl]

Actually, the thrust of this thread is exactly how people die from Covid.

It is an awful death and for the first time in man's history, people are having to die without their loved ones.

Boomer brought up and excellent subject. Very real and pertinent. Very, very sad indeed.

This can be avoided by getting two shots in your arm.

Pictures in 2020 of hospital ward in Italy with covid patients. - Bing images

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

OK, you say the vaccine is 99% safe, and we are told by the CDC that 99.8+ of those under 65 infected with covid recover fine, I would say it is still a personal choice.

Until someone puts a gun to your head, it's your choice, of course.

Of course, there are smart choices and stupid choices..........

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

You are quoting data from a single large gathering in a single county in one state that involved less than 500 people. IN NO WAY can that be extrapolated into the hundreds of millions that have been vaccinated. Try again.

Oxford study showed similar percentage and similar viral loads of the Delta Variant in vax'd and non vax'd.

[graciegirl]

Pictures near NYC of graves dug from Covid deaths. - Bing images

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Pictures near NYC of graves dug from Covid deaths. - Bing images

Nothing shows they were for covid patients. The site has been used by the city since the 19th century as a public cemetery for unclaimed people and those whose families can’t afford private burials. I can get photos every month of graves being dug there and bodies buried.It is reports like these, or over reporting covid ICU cases by 50%, or demanding those with natural immunity get the shot, that create mistrust.