[Swoop]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

And the Flat Earth Society has recruited more members!

Please share the visions you see in your crystal ball with the rest of mankind. Since you seem to be the only one who thinks he knows what the long term outcome will be for those who received the vaccine. Because there is absolutely no statistical science for you to reference...

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by npwalters

3 days ago the CDC said that we must see a rate of 10,000 cases per day to reach a point at which we can remove masks. Yesterday they said we can remove our masks indoors and out.

The rate is currently 30,000 (rolling average) per day. I wonder which politician changed their mind?

BTW - I am glad they finally made this recommendation. I haven't worn a mask outdoors for months. I just am amazed at how the "science" can change overnight and I usually look at the current political climate to determine the cause.

Not quite "over night". It took a few million vaccinations to arrive at these CDC guidelines. Science evolves on an on going basis. The immunity our country is developing is guiding the guidance.

[Becca9800]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Oh, get over yourselves. At this stage the SCIENCE says get the shots and you're good to go. ANYONE can get a Covid shot. I do not have an obligation to defer to "stupid". You have the right to stay locked down and wear your mask while driving alone in your car but stop with the virtue signaling. The science is clear. You don't want to get a shot, welcome to Darwin in action.

YOUR science says get the shot. MY science says tread carefully. This vaccine was rushed to production, has not been fully vetted, is experimental, and we just don't know the long term effects. The science is NOT clear at all, the recommendations changed day to day because they just don't know what they don't know. Those are indisputable facts that maybe you can justify, I cannot.

I haven't been locked down ever. In fact, every day I went to work at a hospital where at one point there were 70 Covid-infected patients under the same roof as me. An infested hospital where I had direct interaction w the people providing direct care to the infected. Nor will I go into lock down now. I'm pretty sure the ones you see wearing masks while driving alone in their car are those ultra paranoid of contracting C19. They were the first in line to receive a vaccine. Those holding off on getting a vaccine just aren't that paranoid as evidenced by the fact they weren't first in line to receive the vaccine.

Virtue Signaling: the sharing of one's point of view on a social or political issue, often on social media, in order to garner praise or acknowledgment of one’s righteousness from others who share that point of view, or to passively rebuke those who do not.

I will conclude my response to your condescending, critical, fundamentally wrong, and worthless response by saying, but I'm the stupid one. I'm certain its intent will be lost.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Becca9800

YOUR science says get the shot. MY science says tread carefully. This vaccine was rushed to production, has not been fully vetted, is experimental, and we just don't know the long term effects. The science is NOT clear at all, the recommendations changed day to day because they just don't know what they don't know. Those are indisputable facts that maybe you can justify, I cannot.

I haven't been locked down ever. In fact, every day I went to work at a hospital where at one point there were 70 Covid-infected patients under the same roof as me. An infested hospital where I had direct interaction w the people providing direct care to the infected. Nor will I go into lock down now. I'm pretty sure the ones you see wearing masks while driving alone in their car are those ultra paranoid of contracting C19. They were the first in line to receive a vaccine. Those holding off on getting a vaccine just aren't that paranoid as evidenced by the fact they weren't first in line to receive the vaccine.

Virtue Signaling: the sharing of one's point of view on a social or political issue, often on social media, in order to garner praise or acknowledgment of one’s righteousness from others who share that point of view, or to passively rebuke those who do not.

I will conclude my response to your condescending, critical, fundamentally wrong, and worthless response by saying, but I'm the stupid one. I'm certain its intent will be lost.

I'm not going to comment on your opinion, but I will only say there is no MY science and YOUR science, just science.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Example of this please MAINSTREAM media not telling the whole story

Thanks

The people that read into everything without going back to see others post's in context. And you just joined that group.

Just like the MSM

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

With more than 328 million people living in the US, there will always be an example of someone who has an atypical reaction to something. Based on the statistics provided by the CDC. Your son’s friend was truly an anomaly. I never said that it was impossible, just very highly improbable...

The current 500 plus thousand DEAD from CV is probably an undercounting. To NOT be aware of this is like " whistling past the graveyard".

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Joe C.

.......We shouldn't be arguing amongst ourselves about masks or vaccinations.
WE SHOULD BE DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE ARE BEING MANIPULATED.
And that's the end of the story.

We see things differently. I have never felt manipulated. I have felt protected by a government agency that deals with public health.......my health, my husband's health, my family's health, my community's health, my country's health. Yup....we see things differently.

[JMintzer]

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

......... Recently, a religious leader recommended getting the vaccine. That should help society.

I wish to hell one very influential person would rally his supporters to go and get vaccinated. While he is at it, he should tell his supporters that he and his wife were vaccinated when they were still in the White House. Those are the folks who need the nudging from what all the polls are revealing.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy

I'm taking a wild guess here, but I'll bet your parents had you take the polio vaccine.....and you can thank them and the scientists for that. But then vaccines weren't irrationally political.

Good post! Very true and logical!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

India is gong thru what we already went through last winter. They are way behind the curve in vaccinations and yet their case load per 100k is less than the US. Send them all the help they need but realize the media has, once again. blown this way out of proportion.

Gee, that's not what I heard from the news source I listen to. It has been reported that India is experiencing the highest rates of deaths per capita in the world since the beginning of the pandemic. Anyone else hear this? Did I hear it incorrectly?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Becca9800

YOUR science says get the shot. MY science says tread carefully. This vaccine was rushed to production, has not been fully vetted, is experimental, and we just don't know the long term effects. The science is NOT clear at all, the recommendations changed day to day because they just don't know what they don't know. Those are indisputable facts that maybe you can justify, I cannot.

I haven't been locked down ever. In fact, every day I went to work at a hospital where at one point there were 70 Covid-infected patients under the same roof as me. An infested hospital where I had direct interaction w the people providing direct care to the infected. Nor will I go into lock down now. I'm pretty sure the ones you see wearing masks while driving alone in their car are those ultra paranoid of contracting C19. They were the first in line to receive a vaccine. Those holding off on getting a vaccine just aren't that paranoid as evidenced by the fact they weren't first in line to receive the vaccine.

Virtue Signaling: the sharing of one's point of view on a social or political issue, often on social media, in order to garner praise or acknowledgment of one’s righteousness from others who share that point of view, or to passively rebuke those who do not.

I will conclude my response to your condescending, critical, fundamentally wrong, and worthless response by saying, but I'm the stupid one. I'm certain its intent will be lost.

I guess you are not aware that the mRNA vaccines began their infancy of development back in 1990. No, this technology is not new. The "tweeking" of the vaccine for this specific SARS CoV2 virus is what was in development recently, once the scientists had the information they needed from China to do the "tweeking".

Just wondering what you will be saying once these mRNA vaccines receive full FDA approval. That won't be very long. You may have to get another mantra.

I also often wonder what our society would look like today if like minded people such as yourself, refused to receive the small pox vaccine when that pandemic was raging. The small pox vaccine eradicated that deadly disfiguring virus from this earth. It is a very scary thought to think what our society would be like if there were anti-vaxxers, non-vaxxers, hesitant-vaxxers, religious conciencous anti-vaxxers and such around back then. Oh, my. The hair on the back of my neck stands up.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

We see things differently. I have never felt manipulated. I have felt protected by a government agency that deals with public health.......my health, my husband's health, my family's health, my community's health, my country's health. Yup....we see things differently.

I've never known anyone that KNEW they were being manipulated. I am sure they never "FELT manipulated" when the fact was that they were being manipulated. Just saying. Not saying you are being manipulated. But, a gov that controls is guilty of manipulation of the masses.

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I wish to hell one very influential person would rally his supporters to go and get vaccinated. While he is at it, he should tell his supporters that he and his wife were vaccinated when they were still in the White House. Those are the folks who need the nudging from what all the polls revealing.

He has repeatedly urged his supporters to get vaccinated. After all it was his administration that gave us two effective vaccines in record time. If your leaders like Cuomo hadn’t planted the seeds of distrust the rollout would have been quicker. But keep blaming the past to take the focus off the growing failures since February.

[unialimon]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I guess you are not aware that the mRNA vaccines began their infancy of development back in 1990. No, this technology is not new. The "tweeking" of the vaccine for this specific SARS CoV2 virus is what was in development recently, once the scientists had the information they needed from China to do the "tweeking".

Just wondering what you will be saying once these mRNA vaccines receive full FDA approval. That won't be very long. You may have to get another mantra.

I also often wonder what our society would look like today if like minded people such as yourself, refused to receive the small pox vaccine when that pandemic was raging. Th e small pox vaccine eradicated that deadly disfiguring virus from this earth. It is a very scary thought to think what our society would be like if there were anti-vaxxers, non-vaxxers, hesitant-vaxxers, religious conciencous anti-vaxxers and such around back then. Oh, my. The hair on the back of my neck stands up.

Quite possibly this forum would not exist then.