[Swoop]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

And also, speaking of America's Doctors - 90% of US Doctors have had their vaccine - only 10% are waiting.

At least 40% of Fauci’s group has not been vaccinated...

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Taking responsibility for yourself and mitigating your own health risks is being socially responsible.

A group called America's Frontline Doctors has pointed out that young people under the age of 20 have a 99.997% survivability rate from COVID-19 - they have close to a ZERO percent chance of dying from COVID-19. Yet, the government is advocating that this age group get vaccinated in spite of the documented risks of adverse side effects.

That is why it is so important for us all to make these decisions for ourselves.

What adverse side effects are you referring to? Certainly not the usual side effects of a robust immune system. Right?

[stanley]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

What adverse side effects are you referring to? Certainly not the usual side effects of a robust immune system. Right?

I worry about the "undocumented risks of adverse side effects"......does anyone really think that at this point in the rollout of the "vaccine" , big pharma...or any government would come clean to the public if there was a problem? Never, ...never. "We" won't know for years.....just keep getting those "booster" shots........hope for the best......it's the patriotic thing to do.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by stanley

I worry about the "undocumented risks of adverse side effects"......does anyone really think that at this point in the rollout of the "vaccine" , big pharma...or any government would come clean to the public if there was a problem? Never, ...never. "We" won't know for years.....just keep getting those "booster" shots........hope for the best......it's the patriotic thing to do.

And yet the J&J vaccine was pulled for a time due to the blood clotting issue and approval for the AZ vaccine has met several hurdles due to data collection in the trials. I think I remember a pause on Moderna early on though I could be wrong about that. And then there is the VAERS database that has gained attention recently.

It certainly is possible that the Govt or "big pharma" is trying to withhold information but that doesn't seem to be working well.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by stanley

I worry about the "undocumented risks of adverse side effects"......does anyone really think that at this point in the rollout of the "vaccine" , big pharma...or any government would come clean to the public if there was a problem? Never, ...never. "We" won't know for years.....just keep getting those "booster" shots........hope for the best......it's the patriotic thing to do.

Do you honestly believe that if (BIG IF) there were adverse reactions to these vaccines that we are not being informed about, there would be trials vaccinating children and infants? Seriously??? What about when the J&J vaccine roll out was temporarily halted because of concern over blood clots in women? Was that adverse side effect hidden from us?

I don't buy into conspiracy theories.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

And yet the J&J vaccine was pulled for a time due to the blood clotting issue and approval for the AZ vaccine has met several hurdles due to data collection in the trials. I think I remember a pause on Moderna early on though I could be wrong about that. And then there is the VAERS database that has gained attention recently.

It certainly is possible that the Govt or "big pharma" is trying to withhold information but that doesn't seem to be working well.

Agree with everything you said. I just made the same point about the temporary halt on the J&J vaccine.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Do you honestly believe that if (BIG IF) there were adverse reactions to these vaccines that we are not being informed about, there would be trials vaccinating children and infants? Seriously??? What about when the J&J vaccine roll out was temporarily halted because of concern over blood clots in women? Was that adverse side effect hidden from us?

I don't buy into conspiracy theories.

I have yet to hear a good explanation for why a group of people with a statistically ZERO chance of dying from this virus are being vaccinated in the first place.

Kids in Florida have been back in school since the beginning of the year. If kids were dropping like flies in this state, the media would have had a field day with it. But the reality is that kids are doing fine without a vaccine.

As far as adverse side effects go, there have been plenty of documented side effects including deaths that have occurred shortly after receiving the vaccine. The deaths may or may not be related to the vaccine but, at this point, we don't know for sure if there is link. Why risk the health and safety of kids if they have such a low risk from this virus to begin with?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

I have yet to hear a good explanation for why a group of people with a statistically ZERO chance of dying from this virus are being vaccinated in the first place.

Kids in Florida have been back in school since the beginning of the year. If kids were dropping like flies in this state, the media would have had a field day with it. But the reality is that kids are doing fine without a vaccine.

As far as adverse side effects go, there have been plenty of documented side effects including deaths that have occurred shortly after receiving the vaccine. The deaths may or may not be related to the vaccine but, at this point, we don't know for sure if there is link. Why risk the health and safety of kids if they have such a low risk from this virus to begin with?

Kids have a low risk of contracting the virus and having severe symptoms. Kids, will however, transmit the virus to others which will perpetuate this pandemic. The more people who are vaccinated, the closer we can reach herd immunity SAFELY. It is all about squelching hosts for this virus to latch onto and mutate and create more variants that the world will have to deal with. Kids need to be vaccinated to assist in our country getting to herd immunity.

Regarding deaths as a direct result of the vaccine, I would imagine there are those who were not able to tolerate just the simplest of routine side effects. The elderly sometimes, so close to death to begin with, could die just from flu like symptoms. The mRNA vaccines have been determined to be extremely safe and I'll continue to keep my trust in them.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Kids have a low risk of contracting the virus and having severe symptoms. Kids, will however, transmit the virus to others which will perpetuate this pandemic. The more people who are vaccinated, the closer we can reach herd immunity SAFELY. It is all about squelching hosts for this virus to latch onto and mutate and create more variants that the world will have to deal with. Kids need to be vaccinated to assist in our country getting to herd immunity.

Regarding deaths as a direct result of the vaccine, I would imagine there are those who were not able to tolerate just the simplest of routine side effects. The elderly sometimes, so close to death to begin with, could die just from flu like symptoms. The mRNA vaccines have been determined to be extremely safe and I'll continue to keep my trust in them.

You want to see children who have little risk from this virus be vaccinated, not for their own good, but for the good of others? I find that mindset to be a bit alarming.

According to your estimations, people dying from COVID vaccine reactions would be the same people at risk from dying of COVID in the first place. They are a high risk group for a reason - they are old and have health problems.

The reality, however, is that young people in very low risk groups have reported side effects from this vaccine. My own kids are old enough to decide whether or not to get vaccinated all by themselves. But, as a parent, there is no way that I would take them to get vaccinated as i do not think that the vaccine is necessarily in their best interests.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

You want to see children who have little risk from this virus be vaccinated, not for their own good, but for the good of others? I find that mindset to be a bit alarming.

According to your estimations, people dying from COVID vaccine reactions would be the same people at risk from dying of COVID in the first place. They are a high risk group for a reason - they are old and have health problems.

The reality, however, is that young people in very low risk groups have reported side effects from this vaccine. My own kids are old enough to decide whether or not to get vaccinated all by themselves. But, as a parent, there is no way that I would take them to get vaccinated as i do not think that the vaccine is necessarily in their best interests.

We will never agree about this. Children have shown to have 100% efficacy with this vaccine. Why wouldn't a parent want their child to be protected? It makes zero sense to me that they would prefer to worry that their child may contract Covid and also may suffer long term problems because of having the disease. There is also that phenomenon that children suffer with skin rashing and turning beat red. I don't remember what it is called but is looks nasty as hell. BTW.....children have died of Covid.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

We will never agree about this. Children have shown to have 100% efficacy with this vaccine. Why wouldn't a parent want their child to be protected? It makes zero sense to me that they would prefer to worry that their child may contract Covid and also may suffer long term problems because of having the disease. There is also that phenomenon that children suffer with skin rashing and turning beat red. I don't remember what it is called but is looks nasty as hell. BTW.....children have died of Covid.

The small number of children who have died from Covid also had significant health issues which greatly contributed to their deaths. For kids that fall into the high risk category, the choice to vaccinate or not is going to be a different equation based on their own personal risk factors.

But most kids fall into a very low to no risk category from this particular virus. Like I said earlier, if kids were dropping like flies in the state of Florida, the media would be all over that. But kids have been doing just fine going back to school, participating in sports and other extracurricular activities along with PT service industry jobs. The kids in Florida have been exposed to viruses and bacteria all year long which actually makes their immune systems stronger.

When it comes to my kids, I'm more worried about strep than Covid. For most kids, Covid is more or less a cold.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

We will never agree about this. Children have shown to have 100% efficacy with this vaccine. Why wouldn't a parent want their child to be protected? It makes zero sense to me that they would prefer to worry that their child may contract Covid and also may suffer long term problems because of having the disease. There is also that phenomenon that children suffer with skin rashing and turning beat red. I don't remember what it is called but is looks nasty as hell. BTW.....children have died of Covid.

If it turns out that recipients of mRNA vaccines are more prone to cancer, or some other immune issues, would it have been worth it to have vaccinated those who weren’t at risk?!?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Kids have a low risk of contracting the virus and having severe symptoms. Kids, will however, transmit the virus to others which will perpetuate this pandemic. The more people who are vaccinated, the closer we can reach herd immunity SAFELY. It is all about squelching hosts for this virus to latch onto and mutate and create more variants that the world will have to deal with. Kids need to be vaccinated to assist in our country getting to herd immunity.

Regarding deaths as a direct result of the vaccine, I would imagine there are those who were not able to tolerate just the simplest of routine side effects. The elderly sometimes, so close to death to begin with, could die just from flu like symptoms. The mRNA vaccines have been determined to be extremely safe and I'll continue to keep my trust in them.

You can tell people this a thousand times, in a thousand ways, in a thousand languages, and they will still reject, ignore, or deny every word you say - and then challenge you to explain to them exactly what you've explained to them a thousand times, in a thousand ways, in a thousand languages.

They aren't interested in learning facts. They're only interested in "what's in it for me."

What's in it for them is - absolutely nothing. There's nothing in it for them. That's what you should tell them.

They're right. They should not be vaccinated. In fact, they should not be ALLOWED to be vaccinated. They should not be ALLOWED to wear masks, and no one should be ALLOWED to be vaccinated or wear masks and be within close proximity to them.

So when the time comes that they need to go to the doctor, they should not be allowed to go. Because the doctor might need to wear a mask. And the doctor might be vaccinated. Or her kids might be vaccinated. Or their mother-in-law might be vaccinated and need to wear a mask outside her house.

Anyone who has a "problem" with whether or not OTHER people should/shouldn't be vaccinated and/or wear masks, need to just stay home. Forever. Don't leave. If you leave, you'll ultimately end up within spitting distance of someone who has personally offended you. And we can't have that.

[Gulfcoast]

If the government wanted to mandate STD screenings in order "to eliminate the stigma of seeking treatment for sexually transmitted diseases", would you be cool having to submit to a mandated pelvic exam in order to screen you for STDs even though you haven't had sex since your husband passed away in '92?

[Gulfcoast]

Would you be o.k. with submitting to mandated drug testing (including a blood draw) if you have never used drugs in your life and you have no reason at all (such as a job requirement) to want such a test done?