[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Please share the visions you see in your crystal ball with the rest of mankind. Since you seem to be the only one who thinks he knows what the long term outcome will be for those who received the vaccine. Because there is absolutely no statistical science for you to reference...

My crystal ball says that Global Warming will continue to be a big problem. It says that all around the world, and in America, democracies are being hard-pressed to fend off dictatorships. My crystal ball says that the US Government should limit the power of Facebook before it is too late.

As to our 3 CV vaccines - they were rigorously tested before approval. Just like all other vaccines in the US. Dr. Osterholm, Dr. Fauci, Dr. Vin Gupta and many others are very happy with the way these vaccines have been successful in fighting the CV Pandemic.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

I've never known anyone that KNEW they were being manipulated. I am sure they never "FELT manipulated" when the fact was that they were being manipulated. Just saying. Not saying you are being manipulated. But, a gov that controls is guilty of manipulation of the masses.

That may be true but I still feel totally in control of my actions and decision making processes. Thank you, though.

[Becca9800]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I'm not going to comment on your opinion, but I will only say there is no MY science and YOUR science, just science.

And you'd be wrong. You do realize there are as many scientists warning against the vaccine as there are those promoting the vaccine. Right? Sooooo.... there is a yours and my science, depending on which scientist you tend to lean toward.

[Becca9800]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

We see things differently. I have never felt manipulated. I have felt protected by a government agency that deals with public health.......my health, my husband's health, my family's health, my community's health, my country's health. Yup....we see things differently.

I have never felt more manipulated in my life. So I agree, we see things very differently. I accept that. Can you?

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by John41

He has repeatedly urged his supporters to get vaccinated. After all it was his administration that gave us two effective vaccines in record time. If your leaders like Cuomo hadn’t planted the seeds of distrust the rollout would have been quicker. But keep blaming the past to take the focus off the growing failures since February.

You are 100% misinformed....

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Becca9800

I have never felt more manipulated in my life. So I agree, we see things very differently. I accept that. Can you?

Different strokes for different folks I guess. So, yes, I can accept it.

[Becca9800]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Just wondering what you will be saying once these mRNA vaccines receive full FDA approval. That won't be very long. You may have to get another mantra.

I will be delighted once immunity is removed from the vaccine manufacturers and from the FDA. If the vaccine receives full approval, I would expect the vaccine is no different than any other drug on the market. IF it hurts me, I can make a claim for damages. Oh right, there have been no approved drugs that ultimately injured people, right? I am not willing to accept the vaccine's current risk. What do you not understand about risk-benefit? Should I contract C19, I am not likely to suffer serious consequence. IF I take an unknown vaccine, I don't know what might result. Perhaps you should just respect other's positions and leave it at that. Yes?

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I also often wonder what our society would look like today if like minded people such as yourself, refused to receive the small pox vaccine when that pandemic was raging. Oh, my. The hair on the back of my neck stands up.

You should really know your subject matter before you opine on it.

In 1796, Edward Jenner in the UK created the first successful smallpox vaccine, but it wasn't until the 1950s that vaccine treatments began to effectively eradicate the disease in some parts of the world.

Then, in 1967, a global effort that provided a higher level of vaccine production and an advancement in needle technology eventually lead to eradication of the disease by 1980.

The smallpox vaccine def didn't arrive in less than a year from inception to conception. If you're game for the c19 vaccine, cool. Stop pushing YOUR needs on me.

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by Becca9800

And you'd be wrong. You do realize there are as many scientists warning against the vaccine as there are those promoting the vaccine. Right? Sooooo.... there is a yours and my science, depending on which scientist you tend to lean toward.

No....there's not! Where do you get your information from???

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

My crystal ball says that Global Warming will continue to be a big problem. It says that all around the world, and in America, democracies are being hard-pressed to fend off dictatorships. My crystal ball says that the US Government should limit the power of Facebook before it is too late.

As to our 3 CV vaccines - they were rigorously tested before approval. Just like all other vaccines in the US. Dr. Osterholm, Dr. Fauci, Dr. Vin Gupta and many others are very happy with the way these vaccines have been successful in fighting the CV Pandemic.

I agree

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Becca9800

And you'd be wrong. You do realize there are as many scientists warning against the vaccine as there are those promoting the vaccine. Right? Sooooo.... there is a yours and my science, depending on which scientist you tend to lean toward.

Credible links to substantiate your Wild claim.

Or it is just talk.

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Not quite "over night". It took a few million vaccinations to arrive at these CDC guidelines. Science evolves on an on going basis. The immunity our country is developing is guiding the guidance.

There’s a difference between SCIENCE evolving and SCIENTISTS waffling according to which way the political wind blows. Sadly you are more wedded to scientists with your political bias than objective science.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by John41

He has repeatedly urged his supporters to get vaccinated. After all it was his administration that gave us two effective vaccines in record time. If your leaders like Cuomo hadn’t planted the seeds of distrust the rollout would have been quicker. But keep blaming the past to take the focus off the growing failures since February.

First, he has never urged anyone to get the vaccine.....

As a matter of fact, when distribution began, there was a PR group who wanted to get all living Presidents to push getting vaccinated.

Want to guess who the only one....the only one who refused.

Yep, it were HIm

When you make a claim about HIM giving us a vaccine, first, Germany may have something to say. Their money and science gave us Pfizer. Moderna had begun work in their vaccine in late December 2009, while we were being told this was just like the annual flu and not to be concerned.

Why do you continue to post knowingly false information on here ?

PS...Moderna did take some money to finish up, but they were well on their way. Pfizer took no money, and only got a purchase order IF

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Becca9800

You live in a bubble if you're not aware of the differing opinions. Willfully? Or ignorantly? Either way, your lack of knowledge is all on you.

So, you are just blowing smoke and have no credible links.

Of course, with any and all things, especially in the age of such media there are always, BUT YOU SAID...

"You do realize there are as many scientists warning against the vaccine as there are those promoting the vaccine. "

I am calling you on that and asking you to make a case. It is false and you know it.

[Becca9800]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Credible links to substantiate your Wild claim.

Or it is just talk.

Credible? Pretty certain you and I will not agree on who is credible so I'll spare my valuable time. But in the end, it is not my job to educate you, you are an adult. Seek the info wo being spoon fed. All you need to do is Duck Duck Go the issue, pretty sure you'll find plenty. I know you will, I just tested it.

[Becca9800]

Originally Posted by Bucco

So, you are just blowing smoke and have no credible links.

Of course, with any and all things, especially in the age of such media there are always, BUT YOU SAID...

"You do realize there are as many scientists warning against the vaccine as there are those promoting the vaccine. "

I am calling you on that and asking you to make a case. It is false and you know it.

See post #120.