[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Also, I think it's worth mentioning that when things were at the scariest, it was private corporations keeping this country running while government offices were all shut down. Something to think about.

Details? What are you referring to?

The federal government never shut down for sure. The only people not working were the janitors. Everyone else shifted to remote work.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Becca9800

I will be delighted once immunity is removed from the vaccine manufacturers and from the FDA. If the vaccine receives full approval, I would expect the vaccine is no different than any other drug on the market. IF it hurts me, I can make a claim for damages. Oh right, there have been no approved drugs that ultimately injured people, right? I am not willing to accept the vaccine's current risk. What do you not understand about risk-benefit? Should I contract C19, I am not likely to suffer serious consequence. IF I take an unknown vaccine, I don't know what might result. Perhaps you should just respect other's positions and leave it at that. Yes?




You should really know your subject matter before you opine on it.

In 1796, Edward Jenner in the UK created the first successful smallpox vaccine, but it wasn't until the 1950s that vaccine treatments began to effectively eradicate the disease in some parts of the world.

Then, in 1967, a global effort that provided a higher level of vaccine production and an advancement in needle technology eventually lead to eradication of the disease by 1980.

The smallpox vaccine def didn't arrive in less than a year from inception to conception. If you're game for the c19 vaccine, cool. Stop pushing YOUR needs on me.

The mRNA vaccines did not arrive in less than a year either. The infancy of these vaccines was in 1990s.

The story of mRNA: From a loose idea to a tool that may help curb Covid

It was not until China released the sequence of this novel corona virus were the scientists able to "tweek" what was already in the works for these mRNA vaccines. It was from that valuable information that these life saving vaccines were developed. The ground work was already done which has been in the process for many years.

Here is an article about the scientist who laid the ground work for mRNA vaccines.......
Kati Kariko Helped Shield the World From the Coronavirus - The New York Times

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by bucco

first, he has never urged anyone to get the vaccine.....

As a matter of fact, when distribution began, there was a pr group who wanted to get all living presidents to push getting vaccinated.

Want to guess who the only one....the only one who refused.

Yep, it were him

when you make a claim about him giving us a vaccine, first, germany may have something to say. Their money and science gave us pfizer. Moderna had begun work in their vaccine in late december 2009, while we were being told this was just like the annual flu and not to be concerned.

Why do you continue to post knowingly false information on here ?

Ps...moderna did take some money to finish up, but they were well on their way. Pfizer took no money, and only got a purchase order if

preach!!! He and his wife were vaccinated IN SECRET at the White House before he left office. He had no intention of promoting the vaccine to his supporters by being secretive of their vaccinations. No cameras, no video captured the moment he and his wife were vaccinated. No attempt at sending a message of support of these vaccines. No attempt from him at setting an example to the American people, especially his supporters. Who does this?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Becca9800

Credible? Pretty certain you and I will not agree on who is credible so I'll spare my valuable time. But in the end, it is not my job to educate you, you are an adult. Seek the info wo being spoon fed. All you need to do is Duck Duck Go the issue, pretty sure you'll find plenty. I know you will, I just tested it.

You want credible? Use the BBC for unbiased reporting. They have no dog in the race and are very credible as a news source.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by stanley

As do us against the "vaccine"..........so leave us alone thank you

I see you have the word vaccine in quotes. That just made me think of one poster who insists these vaccines are not really vaccines. Wonder what happened to OneClick Plus. Is that poster still around?

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I see you have the word vaccine in quotes. That just made me think of one poster who insists these vaccines are not really vaccines. Wonder what happened to OneClick Plus. Is that poster still around?

Maybe Darwin got them. Eventually they'll all get weeded out....

[Tmarkwald]

This is what saved our country when certain elements called our initial response in Feb 2020 to Cobid as 'over-reacting'.

Preparation..intelligence..foresight

Operation Warp Speed (OWS) was a public–private partnership initiated by the United States government to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics.

The first news report of Operation Warp Speed was on April 29, 2020, and the program was officially announced on May 15, 2020. This resulted in the US starting vaccinating in November 2020.

The 12.4 billion spent included massive pre-purchase of Pfizer vaccines and others.


Source: Wikipedia and a lot of others

[UpNorth]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

Maybe Darwin got them. Eventually they'll all get weeded out....

Or perhaps, those who got vaccinated will suffer the consequences a year or two from now.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by UpNorth

Or perhaps, those who got vaccinated will suffer the consequences a year or two from now.

Somewhere, there is a site that is talking about this possibility but I have not yet run into it. I try very hard to check my sources, and although I do not agree very often with the editorial stance of some of them, I KNOW they are dependable on facts and do not publish theories as facts.

It is a possibility of course that there may be an unexpected consequence, but I chose to not die right now, and hope that again, science will find a stop to any "consequences that could happen a year or two from now".

This whole issue has shown us what politics can sway, and how when people are frightened, they often show it in anger and seek answers from undependable sources and those without valid and dependable information. Some big news broadcasting companies made TERRIBLE errors and chose lightweight medical people to tell us what to think in the early days of this.

The CDC, Dr. Fauci and his group, the NIH and other government agencies who we have always trusted for precise answers were standing and watching and assimilating a rapidly changing situation with no way to know the absolute answers. I still trust them. I do not believe that someone bought them. I do not think that the University of Wuhan was engaged in subversive activities for their government, because for one, it makes no sense to release a scourge that will kill your own family members and people in your very own country...to sway an American election????

I hope that no harm will come to us for getting the shot but I am card carrying "R" and I stand with science and I watched 70% of this country...(on polls) that trusted Dr. Fauci. And I know why the last election was lost.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I'm a "science-loving person" and I'm happy to know that the CDC thinks it's safe enough for me to not need a mask anymore. However, I will still honor any place of business that has a sign indicating that masks are either requested or required, and if I visit someone who prefers that I wear my mask in their house, I'll respect their wishes.

I've gone "unmasked" into a few places already in the past few days and it feels very strange. Almost risque.

I was in Publix yesterday. There was a sign that said masks required unless you are vaccinated. I put my mask on (out of habit), took it off, felt very vulnerable among the maskless (who knows if they're vaccinated or just refusing to wear a mask) and put it back on. What about the seven NY Yankees staff that contracted Covid after their vaccinations?


It's going to take a while for me to feel comfortable not wearing a mask in a busy store. And partly because I feel this latest directive came from a governors' meeting at which many urged the prez to do away with masks for the vaccinated. I believe it was the Utah governor who said We're a vaccinated country; let's act like one.


Makes me wonder if there was any science behind it, or the CDC just caved. I'll feel better about it in a month or two if the infection rate continues to drop.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Not that I disagree, BUT you do know that "everyone" does not get the Flu shot every year and we do not wear masks. As a matter of fact, I can't remember any time in my lifetime where I was required to wear a mask anywhere other than into the operating room. And I have been to and lived in many other countries. The ONLY reason so many folks have been wearing masks in public has been due to our gov insistence.

When I've had to wear a mask:
I worked in a chemical plant. I had to wear a mask, gloves, a gown, and non-slip steel-toed shoes with sterile booties over them.

I worked for a sausage factory. I had to wear a mask and gloves whenever I went onto the factory floor to ask the supervisor about an employee's time card.

I visited a friend after a difficult labor resulting in an emergency c-section. I had to wear a mask to visit her, and her baby, who was in NICU.

Sometimes when living up north, I had to spread fertilizer mixed with diatomaceous earth on the property. While the clay (earth) isn't poisonous, it's fine particles of clay that can stick to your lungs and cause respiratory distress if you inhale too much of it. So I wore a mask. I wear a mask now when I spread it outside the house along the edge of the driveway, when we get ant-hills.

In the winter up north, I didn't wear something so flimsy as a mask. I wore a hijab. That's right. An extra-long pashmina wool scarf, covering my head, then wrapped around the back of my head, wrapped to the front to cover my entire face from the nose down and tucked into my jacket to cover the front of my neck. I'm not a Muslim. But they have the right idea about dressing for winter, that's for damned sure. The only part of my head or neck that was NOT covered with that thing was my eyes. And I wore glasses so THOSE were covered as well.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I was in Publix yesterday. There was a sign that said masks required unless you are vaccinated. I put my mask on (out of habit), took it off, felt very vulnerable among the maskless (who knows if they're vaccinated or just refusing to wear a mask) and put it back on. What about the seven NY Yankees staff that contracted Covid after their vaccinations?


It's going to take a while for me to feel comfortable not wearing a mask in a busy store. And partly because I feel this latest directive came from a governors' meeting at which many urged the prez to do away with masks for the vaccinated. I believe it was the Utah governor who said We're a vaccinated country; let's act like one.


Makes me wonder if there was any science behind it, or the CDC just caved. I'll feel better about it in a month or two if the infection rate continues to drop.

This is definitely not a "vaccinated country." There are pockets of the country where a majority of people are vaccinated. But for the most part, the vaccinated are less than 50% overall.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

When I've had to wear a mask:
I worked in a chemical plant. I had to wear a mask, gloves, a gown, and non-slip steel-toed shoes with sterile booties over them.

I worked for a sausage factory. I had to wear a mask and gloves whenever I went onto the factory floor to ask the supervisor about an employee's time card.

I visited a friend after a difficult labor resulting in an emergency c-section. I had to wear a mask to visit her, and her baby, who was in NICU.

Sometimes when living up north, I had to spread fertilizer mixed with diatomaceous earth on the property. While the clay (earth) isn't poisonous, it's fine particles of clay that can stick to your lungs and cause respiratory distress if you inhale too much of it. So I wore a mask. I wear a mask now when I spread it outside the house along the edge of the driveway, when we get ant-hills.

In the winter up north, I didn't wear something so flimsy as a mask. I wore a hijab. That's right. An extra-long pashmina wool scarf, covering my head, then wrapped around the back of my head, wrapped to the front to cover my entire face from the nose down and tucked into my jacket to cover the front of my neck. I'm not a Muslim. But they have the right idea about dressing for winter, that's for damned sure. The only part of my head or neck that was NOT covered with that thing was my eyes. And I wore glasses so THOSE were covered as well.

I believe he/she said "I can't remember any time in my lifetime where I was required to wear a mask .." I've said the same thing. Required is the key word.

[Gulfcoast]

Fauci has admitted that up to half of the employees at NIH have opted NOT to get vaccinated. I would imagine that the peer pressure to get vaccinated would be pretty high at NIH but still up to 50% of the employees have opted not to vaccinate.

Just an interesting little tidbit to mull over.

[Justus]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Fauci has admitted that up to half of the employees at NIH have opted NOT to get vaccinated. I would imagine that the peer pressure to get vaccinated would be pretty high at NIH but still up to 50% of the employees have opted not to vaccinate.

And in the short time vaccines have been available, the following statistics have been documented. I'll take my chances with my natural immunity, thank you.
COVID DATA - OpenVaers