[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Fauci has admitted that up to half of the employees at NIH have opted NOT to get vaccinated. I would imagine that the peer pressure to get vaccinated would be pretty high at NIH but still up to 50% of the employees have opted not to vaccinate.

Just an interesting little tidbit to mull over.

Would appreciate a link to your source for that news, and date of the news.

There was news of short supply for NIH employees back in December

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Fauci has admitted that up to half of the employees at NIH have opted NOT to get vaccinated. I would imagine that the peer pressure to get vaccinated would be pretty high at NIH but still up to 50% of the employees have opted not to vaccinate.

Just an interesting little tidbit to mull over.

Hmm, I can't seem to find a single quote where Fauci said this, could you please point me to where you found it?

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Hmm, I can't seem to find a single quote where Fauci said this, could you please point me to where you found it?

It's on Youtube. I'll see if I can find it.

[Boomer]

Interesting article today on npr.org -- to read or a 4:17 Listen.

Under the series Untangling Disinformation, the article is titled, "Just 12 People Are Behind Most Vaccine Hoaxes On Social Media Research Shows."

There are different agendas behind the "Disinformation Dozen."

Boomer

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Interesting article today on npr.org -- to read or a 4:17 Listen.

Under the series Untangling Disinformation, the article is titled, "Just 12 People Are Behind Most Vaccine Hoaxes On Social Media Research Shows."

There are different agendas behind the "Disinformation Dozen."

Boomer

I saw that article myself. I do believe the human race is not mature enough for the internet. the instant fame, instant dissemination of information, and the vast overwhelming about of information created every day is impossible for anyone to keep up with.

[UpNorth]

Originally Posted by Justus

And in the short time vaccines have been available, the following statistics have been documented. I'll take my chances with my natural immunity, thank you.
COVID DATA - OpenVaers

Wow. From the official government agency. Why doesn't the media report on this? Post this on Facebook, Twitter or YouTube and see what happens.

[Gulfcoast]

This is the Youtube video: CDC & FDA: 40-50% Of Our Employees Are Not Vaccinated - YouTube

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by UpNorth

Wow. From the official government agency. Why doesn't the media report on this? Post this on Facebook, Twitter or YouTube and see what happens.

VAERS is a place where anyone can report on reactions to vaccine, but that does not mean the reports have been substantiated.

Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) | CDC

[Justus]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

VAERS is a place where anyone can report on reactions to vaccine, but that does not mean the reports have been substantiated.

Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) | CDC

You are correct. VAERS estimates their figures are low by a factor of 10 to 100. Why? Many people do not report their side effects, or are not aware that they are attributable to the vaccine. The numbers do not suit the current media narrative.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

This is the Youtube video: CDC & FDA: 40-50% Of Our Employees Are Not Vaccinated - YouTube

I heard 60% as an estimate, as opposed to less than 40% of all Americans.

Not sure of your point, but sure you have one.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I heard 60% as an estimate, as opposed to less than 40% of all Americans.

Not sure of your point, but sure you have one.

Fauci said "a little" over 50%, he wasn't sure, but maybe 60% had been vaccinated at his institute.

So that takes the number to somewhere between 40% - 50% not being vaccinated.

The others also didn't have exact numbers but guestimated around the same.

And to clarify - that is not the number of all Americans vaccinated, that is the number of employees at the CDC, FDA, NIH that have been vaccinated.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I was in Publix yesterday. There was a sign that said masks required unless you are vaccinated. I put my mask on (out of habit), took it off, felt very vulnerable among the maskless (who knows if they're vaccinated or just refusing to wear a mask) and put it back on. What about the seven NY Yankees staff that contracted Covid after their vaccinations?


It's going to take a while for me to feel comfortable not wearing a mask in a busy store. And partly because I feel this latest directive came from a governors' meeting at which many urged the prez to do away with masks for the vaccinated. I believe it was the Utah governor who said We're a vaccinated country; let's act like one.


Makes me wonder if there was any science behind it, or the CDC just caved. I'll feel better about it in a month or two if the infection rate continues to drop.

Update: as of today 9 members of the NY Yankees players and staff that had been previously vaccinated, have tested positive for Covid...

[UpNorth]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Update: as of today 9 members of the NY Yankees players and staff that had been previously vaccinated, have tested positive for Covid...

Add Bill Mahr to the list. Just because you get the vaccine doesn't mean you can't get Covid, or pass it around to other people. If you think it makes you "immune", you are just buying the BS from the mass media.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by UpNorth

Add Bill Mahr to the list. Just because you get the vaccine doesn't mean you can't get Covid, or pass it around to other people. If you think it makes you "immune", you are just buying the BS from the mass media.

Are any of them actually sick or have they just tested positive?

If they simply tested positive but aren't ill then maybe that's good enough.

[Becca9800]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Somewhere, there is a site that is talking about this possibility but I have not yet run into it. I try very hard to check my sources, and although I do not agree very often with the editorial stance of some of them, I KNOW they are dependable on facts and do not publish theories as facts. It is a possibility of course that there may be an unexpected consequence, but I chose to not die right now, and hope that again, science will find a stop to any "consequences that could happen a year or two from now".

GracieGirl, what you're hearing are NOT facts, it is OPINION. It can't be fact because no one really knows this virus. So what you are hearing is opinion. You need only to decide if what you're hearing makes sense to you.

Originally Posted by graciegirl

This whole issue has shown us what politics can sway, and how when people are frightened, they often show it in anger and seek answers from undependable sources and those without valid and dependable information. Some big news broadcasting companies made TERRIBLE errors and chose lightweight medical people to tell us what to think in the early days of this.

See, this is a perfect example. I get the point of your message and I feel it was CBS, NBC, most def CNN, NPR wo dependable info, putting unsourced "experts" out there to tell us the what-fors and why-nots around this NOVEL virus. I accept that you wish to follow MSM, WHY can't it simply be accepted that there are those of us who do not agree with the MSM experts? WHY must the MSM followers continue to criticize, guilt, and harangue those that have a different opinion? No need to try to answer his, there is no answer, I get it.

Originally Posted by graciegirl

The CDC, Dr. Fauci and his group, the NIH and other government agencies who we have always trusted for precise answers were standing and watching and assimilating a rapidly changing situation with no way to know the absolute answers. I still trust them. I do not believe that someone bought them. I do not think that the University of Wuhan was engaged in subversive activities for their government, because for one, it makes no sense to release a scourge that will kill your own family members and people in your very own country...to sway an American election????

I do not trust our government any longer. I used to but have heard so many discrepancies I can't afford to trust them any longer. I've no faith left. I believe the Wuhan Lab did release this virus (inadvertently) and that the virus was developed using our tax payer dollars. No need to respond to this opinion either, it is a fundamental disagreement. I understand I will change no one's mind, and you will not change mine. I'm only trying to illustrate the differences in opinions.

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I hope that no harm will come to us for getting the shot but I am card carrying "R" and I stand with science and I watched 70% of this country...(on polls) that trusted Dr. Fauci. And I know why the last election was lost.

I too hope no harm comes to any vaccinated person. However, I don't have the faith that it won't, and I'm unwilling to hedge the bet. I am not opposed to being vaccinated, I'm opposed to jumping in line for a vaccine that is truly untested. I very likely one day will accept this vaccine, just not now. I need more proof. Surely this is understandable. BTW, rushing this vaccine to production, giving the manufacturers immunity is the one thing, in my opinion, where DJT failed. And failed miserably.